Learn from Traditional Companies: How Do Crypto Projects Distribute Profits?

By: blockbeats|2025/03/29 01:15:03
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Original Article Title: When Tokens Burn
Original Article Author: Saurabh Deshpande
Original Article Translation: Luffy, Foresight News

Lately, I have taken stablecoin supply as a metric for measuring liquidity, considering the number of tokens in the market to calculate the liquidity of each asset. As expected, liquidity eventually approaches zero, and the chart drawn based on the analysis results can be considered a piece of "art."

In March 2021, each cryptocurrency enjoyed approximately $1.8 million worth of stablecoin liquidity, but by March 2025, this number had dropped to only $5,500.

As a project, you are competing for the attention of users and investors with over 40 million other tokens, a number that was only 5 million three years ago. So, how do you retain token holders? You can try to build a community, where members say "GM" on Discord and conduct some airdrop events.

Learn from Traditional Companies: How Do Crypto Projects Distribute Profits?

But then what? Once they get the token, they will move on to the next Discord group to say "GM."

Community members won't stay for no reason; you have to give them a reason. In my view, a high-quality product with actual cash flow is a reason, or making the project's data look good.

Russ Hanneman Syndrome

In the TV show "Silicon Valley," Russ Hanneman once boasted about becoming a billionaire by "putting the radio on the Internet." In the crypto space, everyone wants to be Russ, chasing overnight riches but not caring about the business fundamentals, building moats, and acquiring sustainable income—these "boring" yet practical issues.

Joel's recent articles "Death to Stagnation" and "Make Revenue Great Again" emphasize the urgent need for crypto projects to focus on sustainable value creation. Similar to the memorable scene in the show, Russ Hanneman dismisses Richard Hendricks' concerns about building a sustainable revenue model, many crypto projects similarly rely on speculative narratives and investor enthusiasm. Now, it appears that this strategy is clearly unsustainable.

However, unlike Russ, founders cannot rely solely on shouting "Tres Comas" (a wealth-flaunting term used by Russ in the show) to make a project successful. Most projects require sustainable revenue, and to achieve this, we first need to understand how existing revenue-generating projects operate.

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The Zero-Sum Game of Attention

In the traditional market, regulatory bodies maintain stock liquidity for publicly traded companies by setting high barriers to entry. Globally, there are 359 million companies, with only about 55,000 publicly listed, accounting for only about 0.01%. The benefit of this approach is that most available capital is concentrated within a limited range. However, it also means that early-stage investors in companies and opportunities for high returns are scarce.

The dispersion of attention and liquidity is the price at which every token can be easily publicly traded. I am not here to judge which model is better, but simply to illustrate the differences between the two worlds.

The question then is, how to stand out in the seemingly endless ocean of tokens? One way is to demonstrate that the project you are building is in demand and to engage token holders in the project's growth. Do not misunderstand; not every project needs to be equally focused on revenue and profit maximization.

Revenue is not the end goal but a means to achieve long-term sustainability.

For example, an L1 that hosts a sufficient number of applications only needs to earn enough fees to offset token inflation. Ethereum's validator return rate is about 3.5%, which means its annual token supply will increase by 3.5%. Holders staking ETH to earn rewards will see their token holdings diluted. However, if Ethereum were to implement a fee burn mechanism to destroy an equivalent amount of tokens, then regular ETH holders would not be diluted.

As a project, Ethereum does not actually need to be profitable because it already has a thriving ecosystem. As long as validators can earn enough revenue to maintain node operation, Ethereum does not need additional income. However, for projects with a circulating supply ratio (circulating token percentage) of around 20%, these projects are more like traditional companies and may take time to reach a point where there are enough volunteers to sustain the project.

Founders must face the reality that Russ Hanneman overlooks: generating tangible, sustainable revenue is crucial. It should be noted that in this article, whenever "revenue" is mentioned, I am actually referring to Free Cash Flow (FCF) because obtaining the data behind revenue for most crypto projects is challenging.

Understanding how to allocate Free Cash Flow (FCF), such as when to use it for reinvestment to drive growth, when to share it with token holders, and the optimal allocation method (e.g., buybacks or dividends), these decisions are likely to determine the success or failure of founders aiming to create lasting value.

Reference to the equity market is very helpful in making these decisions effectively. Traditional companies often distribute FCF through dividends and buybacks. Factors such as company maturity, industry position, profitability, growth potential, market conditions, and shareholder expectations will all impact these decisions.

Different crypto projects naturally have different opportunities and limitations in value redistribution based on their lifecycle stage. Below, I will describe this in detail.

Crypto Project Lifecycle

(1) Explorer Stage

Early crypto projects are usually in the experimental stage, focusing on attracting users and refining the core product, rather than aggressively pursuing profits. The product-market fit is still unclear, and ideally, these projects prioritize reinvestment for long-term growth maximization rather than profit-sharing schemes.

The governance of these projects is usually more centralized, controlled by the founding team for upgrades and strategic decisions. The ecosystem is still nascent, network effects are weak, and user retention is a major challenge. Many of these projects rely on token incentives, venture capital, or grants to sustain initial user adoption, rather than arising from natural demand.

While some projects may find early success in a niche market, they still need to prove whether their model is sustainable. Most crypto startup projects fall into this category, and only a small fraction can break through and move forward.

These projects are still seeking the product-market fit, and their revenue models highlight the dilemma of sustaining growth. Projects like Synthetix and Balancer show a pattern of revenue skyrocketing and then significantly declining, indicating a speculative phase rather than steady market acceptance.

(2) Climber Stage

Projects that have passed the early stages but have not yet established dominance belong to the growth category. These protocols can generate substantial revenue, ranging from $10 million to $50 million annually. However, they are still in the growth phase, with governance structures evolving continuously, and reinvestment remains a top priority. While some projects consider profit-sharing mechanisms, they must strike a balance between profit distribution and continued expansion.

The above chart records the weekly revenue of projects in the Climber phase in the cryptocurrency space. These protocols have gained some traction but are still in the process of solidifying their long-term position. Unlike the early Explorer phase, these projects have visible revenue, but the growth trajectory remains unstable.

Projects like Curve and Arbitrum One show relatively stable revenue flows with noticeable peaks and troughs, indicating fluctuations influenced by market cycles and incentive measures. OP Mainnet also exhibits a similar trend where surges suggest periods of high demand followed by slowdowns. Meanwhile, Usual's revenue shows exponential growth, indicating rapid adoption, but the lack of historical data to confirm whether this growth is sustainable. Pendle and Layer3 experience a significant surge in activity, indicating a high level of user engagement currently, but also revealing the challenge of maintaining momentum in the long term.

Many Layer 2 scaling solutions (such as Optimism, Arbitrum), decentralized finance platforms (such as GMX, Lido), and emerging Layer 1 solutions (such as Avalanche, Sui) fall into this category. According to Token Terminal data, currently only 29 projects have annual revenues exceeding $10 million, though the actual number may be slightly higher. These projects are at a turning point, where those consolidating network effects and user retention will move to the next stage, while others may stagnate or decline.

For Climbers, the path forward involves reducing reliance on incentive measures, strengthening network effects, and proving that revenue growth can be sustained without sudden reversals.

(III)Titan Stage

Mature protocols like Uniswap, Aave, and Hyperliquid are in the growth and maturity stage, having achieved product-market fit and generating significant cash flow. These projects are able to implement structured buybacks or dividends, enhancing token holder trust and ensuring long-term sustainability. Their governance is more decentralized, with the community actively participating in upgrades and treasury decisions.

Network effects form a competitive moat, making them hard to replace. Currently, only a few dozen projects can reach this revenue level, meaning very few protocols have truly matured. Unlike projects in the early or growth stages, these protocols do not rely on inflationary token incentives but earn sustainable revenue through transaction fees, lending interest, or staking rewards. Their ability to withstand market cycles further sets them apart from speculative projects.

Differing from early-stage projects or projects in the growth phase, these protocols demonstrate strong network effects, a solid user base, and a deeper market presence.

Ethereum leads in decentralized revenue generation, showing periodic peaks in revenue that align with high network activity. The revenue situation of the two stablecoin giants, Tether and Circle, is different, with a more stable and structured income flow rather than significant fluctuations. While Solana and Ethena have substantial revenue, they still experience noticeable growth and fall-back cycles, reflecting their ever-changing adoption status.

Meanwhile, Sky's revenue is relatively unstable, indicating significant demand volatility rather than sustained dominance.

Although giants stand out in scale, they are not immune to fluctuations. The difference lies in their ability to weather downturns and maintain revenue in the long term.

(4) Seasonal Projects

Some projects undergo rapid but unsustainable growth due to hype, incentive measures, or social trends. Projects like FriendTech and memecoins may generate substantial revenue during peak periods but struggle to retain users long term. Premature revenue-sharing schemes may exacerbate volatility as speculative capital quickly exits once incentives dry up. Their governance is often weak or centralized, the ecosystem is fragile, decentralized application adoption is limited, or long-term viability is lacking.

While these projects may temporarily achieve high valuations, they are prone to collapse when market sentiment shifts, leaving investors disappointed. Many speculative platforms rely on unsustainable token issuance, false trading, or inflated yields to create artificial demand. Although some projects can move past this stage, most fail to establish a sustainable business model and are inherently high-risk investments.

Profit-Sharing Models of Publicly Traded Companies

Observing how publicly traded companies handle profit sharing can teach us more.

This chart illustrates how the profit-sharing behavior of traditional companies evolves as their maturity increases. Young companies face significant financial losses (66%) and tend to retain profits for reinvestment rather than distributing dividends (18%) or engaging in stock buybacks (28%). As companies mature, profitability typically stabilizes, and dividend payments and buybacks increase accordingly. Mature companies often distribute profits, with dividends (78%) and buybacks (82%) becoming common.

These trends parallel the lifecycle of crypto projects. Like young traditional companies, early-stage crypto "explorers" typically focus on reinvestment to find the product-market fit. Conversely, mature crypto "giants," like established stable traditional companies, have the capacity to distribute income through token buybacks or dividends, enhancing investor confidence and project long-term viability.

The relationship between company age and profit-sharing strategy naturally extends to the practices of specific industries. While young companies typically prioritize reinvestment, mature companies adjust their strategies based on the characteristics of the industry they operate in. Cash-rich industries tend to favor predictable dividends, while industries characterized by innovation and volatility prefer the flexibility offered by stock buybacks. Understanding these subtle differences helps cryptocurrency project founders effectively adjust their revenue distribution strategies to align with the project's lifecycle stage and industry characteristics, meeting investor expectations.

The following chart highlights the unique profit distribution strategies of different industries. Traditional and stable industries like Utilities (80% of companies pay dividends, 21% engage in buybacks) and Consumer Staples (72% of companies pay dividends, 22% engage in buybacks) strongly favor dividends due to their predictable revenue streams. In contrast, technology-focused industries such as Information Technology (27% engage in buybacks, with the highest cash return through buybacks at 58%) lean towards buybacks to provide flexibility during revenue fluctuations.

These considerations directly impact cryptocurrency projects. Protocols with stable, predictable income, such as stablecoin providers or mature DeFi platforms, may be best suited for a dividend-like continuous payment approach. Conversely, high-growth, innovation-focused cryptocurrency projects, especially those in DeFi and infrastructure layers, can adopt a flexible token buyback approach, mimicking strategies seen in the traditional tech industry to adapt to volatile and rapidly changing market conditions.

Dividends vs. Buybacks

Each method has its pros and cons, but buybacks have recently been favored over dividends. Buybacks offer more flexibility, while dividends have stickiness. Once you announce a X% dividend, investors expect you to do so every quarter. Therefore, buybacks provide strategic leeway to companies, not just in how much profit is returned but also when, allowing them to adapt to market cycles without being confined to a rigid dividend payment schedule. Buybacks do not set fixed expectations like dividends, being viewed as one-time endeavors.

However, buybacks are a wealth transfer mechanism and a zero-sum game. Dividends create value for each shareholder, so both have their place.

Recent trends show that buybacks are increasingly favored due to the reasons mentioned above.

In the early 1990s, only about 20% of profits were distributed through buybacks. By 2024, approximately 60% of profit distribution is done through buybacks. In dollar terms, buybacks surpassed dividends in 1999 and have since maintained the lead.

From a governance perspective, share buybacks require careful valuation assessment to avoid inadvertently transferring wealth from long-term shareholders to those who sold the stock at inflated prices. When a company buys back its stock, it (ideally) believes the stock is undervalued. Conversely, investors choosing to sell the stock believe it is overvalued. These two views cannot both be correct simultaneously. It is generally believed that the company knows its plans better than shareholders, so those selling their stock during buybacks may miss out on higher potential profits.

According to a paper from Harvard Law School, current disclosure practices often lack timeliness, making it difficult for shareholders to assess the progress of buybacks and maintain their ownership percentage. Additionally, when compensation is tied to metrics such as earnings per share, buybacks can impact executive pay, potentially incentivizing executives to prioritize short-term stock performance over the company's long-term growth.

Despite these governance challenges, buybacks remain attractive to many companies, especially U.S. tech firms, due to the flexibility of buyback operations, autonomy in investment decisions, and lower future expectations compared to dividends.

Cryptocurrency Revenue Generation and Distribution

According to Token Terminal data, there are 27 projects in the crypto space that can generate $1 million in revenue monthly. This is not comprehensive as it excludes projects like PumpFun, BullX, etc., but I think it's not far off. I researched 10 of these projects to observe how they handle revenue. The key point is that most crypto projects should not even consider distributing revenue or profits to token holders. In this regard, I admire Jupiter. They explicitly stated at the token announcement stage their lack of intent to share direct revenue (e.g., dividends). Only after user growth exceeds tenfold does Jupiter initiate a mechanism similar to a buyback to distribute value to token holders.

Revenue Sharing in Crypto Projects

Crypto projects must rethink how they share value with token holders, drawing inspiration from traditional corporate practices while employing unique approaches to navigate regulatory scrutiny. Unlike stocks, tokens offer an innovative opportunity to directly integrate into the product ecosystem. Projects are not merely distributing revenue to token holders but actively incentivizing key ecosystem activities.

For example, even before initiating buybacks, Aave rewarded token stakers providing critical liquidity. Similarly, Hyperliquid strategically shares 46% of its revenue with liquidity providers, akin to traditional consumer loyalty models in established enterprises.

In addition to these token integration strategies, some projects adopt a more direct revenue-sharing approach, reminiscent of traditional public equity practices. However, even in a direct revenue-sharing model, caution must be exercised to avoid being classified as securities, striking a balance between rewarding token holders and complying with regulations. Projects like Hyperliquid, based outside the United States, often have more operational flexibility when implementing a revenue-sharing approach.

Jupiter presents a more creative value-sharing example. They do not engage in traditional buybacks but instead leverage a third-party entity called the Litterbox Trust, which receives JUP tokens programmatically, equivalent to half of the Jupiter Protocol's revenue. As of March 26, it has accumulated approximately 18 million JUP, valued at around $9.7 million. This mechanism directly aligns token holders with the project's success while circumventing regulatory issues associated with traditional buybacks.

It is essential to remember that Jupiter embarked on the path of rewarding token holders with value only after establishing a robust stablecoin treasury sufficient to sustain the project's operations for several years.

The reason for distributing 50% of the revenue to this accumulation plan is straightforward. Jupiter follows a guiding principle of balancing ownership between the team and the community, fostering clear alignment and shared incentives. This approach also encourages token holders to actively promote the protocol, linking their financial interests directly to the product's growth and success.

Aave recently launched a token buyback following a structured governance process. The protocol boasts a healthy treasury of over $95 million (excluding its token holdings) and initiated the buyback plan in early 2025 after detailed governance proposals. The plan named "Purchase and Distribute" allocates $1 million weekly for buybacks, following extensive community discussions around tokenomics, treasury management, and token price stability. Aave's treasury growth and financial strength have enabled this initiative without compromising operational capabilities.

Hyperliquid uses 54% of its revenue to buy back HYPE tokens, with the remaining 46% allocated to incentivize the liquidity of the trading platform. Buybacks are facilitated through the Hyperliquid Support Fund. Since the inception of this plan, the Support Fund has purchased over 18 million HYPE tokens. As of March 26, its value exceeds $250 million.

Hyperliquid stands out as a unique case where the team avoided venture capital and most likely self-funded development, now allocating 100% of its revenue to reward liquidity providers or repurchase tokens. Replicating this for other teams may not be easy. However, Jupiter and Aave both exemplify a crucial aspect: their financial position is robust enough to initiate token buybacks without impacting core operations, reflecting prudent financial management and strategic foresight. This is a model that every project can emulate. Sufficient reserves should be in place before initiating buybacks or dividends.

Token as a Product

Kyle made a great point that cryptocurrency projects need to establish Investor Relations (IR) roles. In an industry built on transparency, cryptocurrency projects ironically fall short when it comes to operational transparency. Most external communications are done through sporadic Discord announcements or Twitter posts, financial metrics are selectively shared, and expense allocations are largely opaque.

When the token price continues to fall, users quickly lose interest in the underlying product unless it has already built a strong moat. This sets up a vicious cycle: price drop leads to waning interest, further depressing the price. Projects need to give token holders ample reasons to hold and non-holders reasons to buy in.

Clear and consistent communication about development progress and fund utilization can itself confer a competitive advantage in today's market.

In traditional markets, the Investor Relations (IR) department bridges the communication gap between the company and investors by regularly releasing financial reports, conducting analyst earnings calls, and providing performance guidance. The cryptocurrency industry can adopt this model while leveraging its unique technological advantages. Quarterly reporting of revenue, operating costs, and development milestones, coupled with on-chain validation of treasury fund flows and buybacks, will greatly enhance stakeholders' confidence.

The biggest transparency gap lies in expenses. Publicly disclosing team salaries, expense breakdowns, and grant allocations can preemptively address questions that only arise when a project collapses: "Where did the ICO money go?" and "How much does the founder pay themselves?"

The strategic advantages from robust IR practices go beyond transparency. They reduce volatility by minimizing information asymmetry, expand the investor base by making it easier for institutional capital to enter, nurture long-term holders who are well-versed in operations and can withstand market cycles, and build community trust that can help the project weather storms.

Forward-thinking projects like Kaito, Uniswap Labs, and Sky (formerly MakerDAO) have already moved in this direction by regularly publishing transparent reports. As Joel pointed out in his article, the cryptocurrency industry must break free from speculative cycles. By adopting professional IR practices, projects can shed the "casino" reputation and become, as envisioned by Kyle, "compounding assets" that can continuously create long-term value.

In an increasingly discerning market, transparent communication will become a survival imperative.

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兩個月過去,AI Agent 板塊重新升溫,Virtuals 代幣反彈超 150%,Genesis 機製成為帶動生態回暖的重要觸發器。從積分獲取規則的動態調整,到專案參與熱度的持續上升,再到「新代幣帶老代幣」的機制閉環,Virtuals 逐漸走出寒冬,並再次站上討論焦點。



值得注意的是,Virtuals 的 Genesis 機制與近期 Binance 推出的 Alpha 積分系統有一些相似之處,評估用戶在 Alpha 和幣安錢包生態系統內的參與度,決定用戶 Alpha 代幣空投的資格。用戶可透過持倉、交易等方式獲得積分,積分越高,參與新項目的機會越大。透過積分系統篩選使用者、分配資源,專案方能夠更有效地激勵社群參與,提升專案的公平性和透明度。 Virtuals 和 Binance 的探索,或許預示著加密融資的新趨勢正在形成。


回看這次對話,empty 在專訪中所展現出的思路與判斷,正在一步步顯現其前瞻性,這不僅是一場圍繞打新機制的訪談,更是一次關於“資產驅動型 AI 協議”的路徑構建與底層邏輯的深度討論。


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BlockBeats:可以簡單分享一下最近團隊主要在忙些什麼?
empty:目前我們的工作重點主要有兩個部分。第一部分,我們希望將 Virtuals 打造成一個類似「華爾街」的代理人(Agent)服務平台。設想一下,如果你是專注於 Agent 或 Agent 團隊建立的創業者,從融資、發幣到流動性退出,整個流程都需要係統性的支援。我們希望為真正專注於 Agent 和 AI 研發的團隊,提供這一整套服務體系,讓他們可以把精力集中在底層能力的開發上,而不用為其他環節分心。這一塊的工作其實也包括了與散戶買賣相關的內容,後面可以再詳細展開。


第二部分,我們正在深入推進 AI 相關的佈局。我們的願景是建立一個 AI 社會,希望每個 Agent 都能聚焦自身優勢,同時透過彼此之間的協作,實現更大的價值。因此,最近我們發布了一個新的標準——ACP(Agent Communication Protocol),目的是讓不同的 Agent 能夠相互互動、協作,共同推動各自的業務目標。這是目前我們主要在推進的兩大方向。



BlockBeats:可以再展開說說嗎?

empty:在我看來,其實我們面對的客戶群可以分為三類:第一類是專注於開發 Agent 的團隊;第二類是投資者,包括散戶、基金等各種投資機構;第三類則是 C 端用戶,也就是最終使用 Agent 產品的個人用戶。


不過,我們主要的精力其實是放在前兩大類──也就是團隊和投資人。對於 C 端用戶這一塊,我們並不打算直接介入,而是希望各個 Agent 團隊能夠自己解決 C 端市場的拓展問題。


此外,我們也認為,Agent 與 Agent 之間的交互作用應該成為一個核心模式。簡單來說,就是未來的服務更多應該是由一個 Agent 銷售或提供給另一個 Agent,而不是單純賣給人類使用者。因此,在團隊的 BD 工作中,我們也積極幫助現有的 AI 團隊尋找這樣的客戶和合作機會。


BlockBeats:大概有一些什麼具體案例呢?


empty:「華爾街」說白了就是圍繞資本運作體系的建設,假設你是一個技術團隊,想要融資,傳統路徑是去找 VC 募資,拿到資金後開始發展。如果專案做得不錯,接下來可能會考慮進入二級市場,例如在紐約證券交易所上市,或是在 Binance 這樣的交易所上幣,實現流動性退出。


我們希望把這一整套流程打通-從早期融資,到專案開發過程中對資金的靈活使用需求,再到最終二級市場的流動性退出,全部覆蓋和完善,這是我們希望補齊的一條完整鏈條。


而這一部分的工作和 ACP(Agent Communication Protocol)是不同的,ACP 更多是關於 Agent 與 Agent 之間交互標準的製定,不直接涉及資本運作系統。


BlockBeats:它和現在 Virtuals 的這個 Launchpad 有什麼差別呢?資金也是從 C 端來是嗎?


empty:其實現在你在 Virtuals 上發幣,如果沒有真正融到資金,那就只是發了一個幣而已,實際是融不到錢的。我們目前能提供的服務,是透過設定買賣時的交易稅機制,從中提取一部分稅收回饋給創業者,希望這部分能成為他們的現金流來源。


不過,問題其實還分成兩塊。第一是如何真正幫助團隊完成融資,這個問題目前我們還沒有徹底解決。第二是關於目前專案發行模式本身存在的結構性問題。簡單來說,現在的版本有點像過去 Pumpfun 那種模式——也就是當專案剛上線時,部分籌碼就被外賣給了外部投資人。但現實是,目前整個市場上存在著太多機構集團和「狙擊手」。


當一個真正優秀的專案一發幣,還沒真正觸達普通散戶,就已經被機構在極高估值時搶購了。等到散戶能夠接觸到時,往往價格已經偏高,專案品質也可能變差,整個價值發行體係被扭曲。


針對這個問題,我們希望探索一種新的發幣和融資模式,目的是讓專案方的籌碼既不是死死握在自己手裡,也不是優先流向英文圈的大機構,而是能夠真正留給那些相信專案、願意長期支持專案的普通投資者手中。我們正在思考該如何設計這樣一個新的發行機制,來解決這個根本問題。


BlockBeats:新模式的具體想法會是什麼樣子呢?


empty:關於資金這一塊,其實我們目前還沒有完全想透。現階段來看,最直接的方式還是去找 VC 融資,或是採取公開預售等形式進行資金募集。不過說實話,我個人對傳統的公開預售模式並不是特別認同。


在「公平發售」這件事上,我們正在嘗試換一個角度來思考-希望能從「reputation」出發,重新設計機制。


具體來說,就是如果你對整個 Virtuals 生態有貢獻,例如早期參與、提供支持或建設,那麼你就可以在後續購買優質代幣時享有更高的優先權。透過這種方式,我們希望把資源更多留給真正支持生態發展的用戶,而不是由短期套利的人主導。


如何從交易稅中「自養」團隊


BlockBeats:您會不會考慮採用類似之前 Fjord Foundry 推出的 LBP 模式,或者像 Daos.fun 那種採用白名單機制的模式。這些模式在某種程度上,和您剛才提到的「對生態有貢獻的人享有優先權」的想法是有些相似的。不過,這類做法後來也引發了一些爭議,例如白名單內部操作、分配不公等問題。 Virtuals 在設計時會考慮借鏡這些模式的優點,或有針對性地規避類似的問題嗎?


empty:我認為白名單機制最大的問題在於,白名單的選擇權掌握在專案方手中。這和「老鼠倉」行為非常相似。專案方可以選擇將白名單名額分配給自己人或身邊的朋友,導致最終的籌碼仍然掌握在少數人手中。


我們希望做的,依然是類似白名單的機制,但不同的是,白名單的獲取權應基於一個公開透明的規則體系,而不是由項目方單方面決定。只有這樣,才能真正做到公平分配,避免內幕操作的問題。


我認為在今天這個 AI 時代,很多時候創業並不需要大量資金。我常跟團隊強調,你們應該優先考慮自力更生,例如透過組成社區,而不是一開始就想著去融資。因為一旦融資,實際上就等於背負了負債。


我們更希望從 Training Fee的角度去看待早期發展路徑。也就是說,專案可以選擇直接發幣,透過交易稅所帶來的現金流,支持日常營運。這樣一來,專案可以在公開建設的過程中獲得初步資金,而不是依賴外部投資。如果專案做大了,自然也會有機會透過二級市場流動性退出。


當然最理想的情況是,專案本身能夠有穩定的現金流來源,這樣甚至連自己的幣都無需拋售,這才是真正健康可持續的狀態。


我自己也常在和團隊交流時分享這種思路,很有意思的是,那些真正抱著「搞快錢」心態的項目,一聽到這種機制就失去了興趣。他們會覺得,在這種模式下,既無法操作老鼠倉,也很難短期套利,於是很快就選擇離開。


但從我們的角度來看,這其實反而是個很好的篩選機制。透過這種方式,理念不同的專案自然會被過濾出去,最後留下的,都是那些願意真正建立、和我們價值觀契合的團隊,一起把事情做起來。


BlockBeats:這個理念可以發展出一些能夠創造收益的 AI agent。


empty:我覺得這是很有必要的。坦白說,放眼今天的市場,真正擁有穩定現金流的產品幾乎鳳毛麟角,但我認為這並不意味著我們應該停止嘗試。事實上,我們每天在對接的團隊中,有至少一半以上的人依然懷抱著長遠的願景。很多時候,他們甚至已經提前向我們提供了 VC 階段的資金支持,或表達了強烈的合作意願。


其實對他們來說想要去收穫一個很好的社區,因為社區可以給他們的產品做更好的回饋,這才是他們真正的目的。這樣聽起來有一點匪夷所思,但其實真的有很多這樣的團隊,而那種團隊的是我們真的想扶持的團隊。


AI Agent 該賣給誰?


BlockBeats:您剛才提到的這套「AI 華爾街」的產品體系-從融資、發行到退出,建構的是一整套完整的流程。這套機制是否更多是為了激勵那些有意願發幣的團隊?還是說,它在設計上也考慮瞭如何更好地支持那些希望透過產品本身的現金流來發展的團隊?這兩類團隊在您這套體系中會不會被區別對待,或者說有什麼機制設計能讓不同路徑的創業者都能被合理支持?


empty:是的,我們 BD 的核心職責其實就是去鼓勵團隊發幣。說得直接一點,就是引導他們思考發幣的可能性和意義。所以團隊最常問的問題就是:「為什麼要發幣?」這時我們需要採取不同的方式和角度,去幫助他們理解背後的價值邏輯。當然如果最終判斷不適合,我們也不會強迫他們推進。


不過我們觀察到一個非常明顯的趨勢,傳統的融資路徑已經越來越難走通了。過去那種融資做大,發幣上所的模式已經逐漸失效。面對這樣的現實,很多團隊都陷入了尷尬的境地。而我們希望能從鏈上和加密的視角,提供一套不同的解決方案,讓他們找到新的發展路徑。


BlockBeats:明白,我剛才其實想表達的是,您剛剛也提到,傳統的 AI 模式在很大程度上仍然依賴「燒錢」競爭。但在 DeepSeek 出現之後,市場上一些資金體積較小的團隊或投資人開始重新燃起了信心,躍躍欲試地進入這個領域。您怎麼看待這種現象?這會不會對目前正在做 AI 基礎研發,或是 AI 應用層開發的團隊產生一定的影響?


empty:對,我覺得先不談 DeepSeek,從傳統角度來看,其實到目前為止,AI 領域真正賺錢的只有英偉達,其他幾乎所有玩家都還沒有實現盈利。所以其實沒有人真正享受了這個商業模式的成果,大家也仍在探索如何面對 C 端打造真正有產出的應用。


沒有哪個領域像幣圈一樣能如此快速獲得社群回饋。你一發幣,用戶就會主動去讀白皮書的每一個字,試試你產品的每個功能。


當然,這套機制並不適合所有人。例如有些 Agent 產品偏 Web2,對於幣圈用戶而言,可能感知不到其價值。因此,我也會鼓勵做 Agent 的團隊在 Virtuals 生態中認真思考,如何真正將 Crypto 作為自身產品的差異化要素加以運用與設計。


BlockBeats:這點我特別認同,在 Crypto 這個領域 AI 的迭代速度確實非常快,但這群用戶給予的回饋,真的是代表真實的市場需求嗎?或者說這些回饋是否真的符合更大眾化、更具規模性的需求?


empty:我覺得很多時候產品本身不應該是強行推廣給不適合的使用者群體。例如 AIXBT 最成功的一點就在於,它的用戶本身就是那群炒作他人內容的人,所以他們的使用行為是非常自然的,並不覺得是在被迫使用一個無聊的產品。 mass adoption 這個概念已經講了很多年,大家可能早就該放棄這個執念了。我們不如就認了,把東西賣給幣圈的人就好了。


BlockBeats:AI Agent 與 AI Agent 所對應的代幣之間,究竟應該是什麼樣的動態關係?


empty:對,我覺得這裡可以分成兩個核心點。首先其實不是在投資某個具體的 AI Agent,而是在投資背後經營這個 Agent 的團隊。你應該把它理解為一種更接近創投的思路:你投的是這個人,而不是他目前正在做的產品。因為產品本身是可以快速變化的,可能一個月後團隊會發現方向不對,立即調整。所以,這裡的「幣」本質上代表的是對團隊的信任,而不是某個特定 Agent 本身。


第二則是期望一旦某個 Agent 產品做出來後,未來它能真正產生現金流,或者有實際的使用場景(utility),從而讓對應的代幣具備賦能效應。


BlockBeats:您覺得有哪些賦能方式是目前還沒看到的,但未來可能出現、值得期待的?


empty:其實主要有兩塊,第一是比較常見的那種你要使用我的產品,就必須付費,或者使用代幣支付,從而間接實現對代幣的「軟銷毀」或消耗。


但我覺得更有趣的賦能方式,其實是在獲客成本的角度思考。也就是說,你希望你的用戶同時也是你的投資者,這樣他們就有動機去主動幫你推廣、吸引更多用戶。


開源≠賦能,開發者≠社群


BlockBeats:那基於這些觀點,您怎麼看 ai16z,在專案設計和代幣機制方面,似乎整體表現並不太樂觀?


empty:從一個很純粹的投資角度來看,撇開我們與他們之間的關係,其實很簡單。他們現在做的事情,對代幣本身沒有任何賦能。從開源的角度來看,一個開源模型本身是無法直接賦能代幣的。


但它仍然有價值的原因在於,它像一個期權(call option),也就是說,如果有一天他們突然決定要做一些事情,比如推出一個 launchpad,那麼那些提前知道、提前參與的人,可能會因此受益。


開發者未來確實有可能會使用他們的 Launchpad,只有在那一刻,代幣才會真正產生賦能。這是目前最大的一個問號——如果這個模式真的跑得通,我認為確實會非常強大,因為他們的確觸達了大量開發者。


但我個人還是有很多疑問。例如即使我是使用 Eliza 的開發者,也不代表我一定會選擇在他們的 Launchpad 上發幣。我會貨比三家,會比較。而且,做一個 Launchpad 和做一個開源框架,所需的產品能力和社群運作能力是完全不同的,這是另一個重要的不確定性。


BlockBeats:這種不同是體現在什麼地方呢?


empty:在 Virtuals 上我們幾乎每天都在處理客服相關的問題,只要有任何一個團隊在我們平台上發生 rug,即使與我們沒有直接關係,用戶也會第一時間來找我們投訴。


這時我們就必須出面安撫用戶,並思考如何降低 rug 的整體風險。一旦有團隊因為自己的代幣設計錯誤或技術失誤而被駭客攻擊、資產被盜,我們往往需要自掏腰包,確保他們的社群至少能拿回一點資金,以便專案能夠重新開始。這些項目方可能在技術上很強,但未必擅長代幣發行,結果因操作失誤被攻擊導致資產損失。只要涉及「被欺騙」相關的問題,對我們來說就已經是非常麻煩的事了,做這些工作跟做交易所的客服沒有太大差別。


另一方面,做 BD 也非常困難。優秀的團隊手上有很多選擇,他們可以選擇在 Pumpfun 或交易所上發幣,為什麼他們要來找我們,那這背後必須要有一整套支援體系,包括融資支援、技術協助、市場推廣等,每個環節都不能出問題。


BlockBeats:那我們就繼續沿著這個話題聊聊 Virtuals 目前的 Launchpad 業務。有一些社群成員在 Twitter 上統計了 Virtuals Launchpad 的整體獲利狀況,確實目前看起來獲利的項目比較少。接下來 Launchpad 還會是 Virtuals 的主要業務區嗎?還是說,未來的重心會逐漸轉向您剛才提到的「AI 華爾街」這條路徑?


empty:其實這兩塊本質上是一件事,是一整套體系的一部分,所以我們必須繼續推進。市場的波動是很正常的,我們始終要堅持的一點是:非常清楚地認識到我們的核心客戶是誰。我一直強調我們的客戶只有兩類——團隊。所以市場行情的好壞對我們來說並不是最重要的,關鍵是在每一個關鍵節點上,對於一個團隊來說,發幣的最佳選擇是否依然是我們 Virtuals。


BlockBeats:您會不會擔心「Crypto + AI」或「Crypto AI Agent」這一類敘事已經過去了?如果未來還有一輪多頭市場,您是否認為市場炒作的焦點可能已經不再是這些方向了?


empty:有可能啊,我覺得 it is what it is,這確實是有可能發生的,但這也屬於我們無法控制的範圍。不過如果你問我,在所有可能的趨勢中,哪個賽道更有機會長期保持領先,我仍然認為是 AI。從一個打德撲的角度來看,它仍然是最優選擇。


而且我們團隊的技術架構和底層能力其實早已搭建完成了,現在只是順勢而為而已。更重要的是,我們本身真的熱愛這件事,帶著好奇心去做這件事。每天早上醒來就有驅動力去研究最新的技術,這種狀態本身就挺讓人滿足的,對吧?


很多時候,大家不應該只看產品本身。實際上很多優秀的團隊,他們的基因決定了他們有在規則中勝出的能力——他們可能過去在做派盤交易時,每筆規模就是上百萬的操作,而這些團隊的 CEO,一年的薪資可能就有 100 萬美金。如果他們願意出來單幹項目,從天使投資或 VC 的視角來看,這本質上是用一個很划算的價格買到一個高品質的團隊。


更何況這些資產是 liquid 的,不是鎖倉狀態。如果你當下不急著用錢,完全可以在早期階段買進一些優秀團隊的代幣,靜靜等待他們去創造一些奇蹟,基本上就是這樣一個邏輯。

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