A man named threadguy disappeared
Author: Kaori, BlockBeats
Editor: Jack, BlockBeats
Today marks the 20th day of threadguy's "disappearance," and almost every day someone on X is discussing when he will return.
threadguy's most recent social media interaction was when he liked a post that said, "Business leaders are willing to pay up to $5 million to have a one-on-one meeting with President Trump at his Florida estate, while others pay $1 million to attend a group dinner with him. Gotta admire threadguy, spending $25,000 to meet Trump really is a steal."
This like is like a time capsule, sealing the moment of intersection between this 23-year-old crypto youth and the center of power at close range.
Let's rewind to September 22, 2024, at the Mar-a-Lago estate during this Trump dinner. threadguy, dressed in a dark pinstripe suit with a carefully selected eagle-shaped tie clip, sporting his freshly dyed iconic golden hair, raised his hand and asked Trump a question, "As someone who is interested in NFTs, I'm curious, if (hopefully not) you do not win this election, what do you think the future of cryptocurrency will be like?"

As usual, Trump shrugged and said, "I think it is the future." Facing threadguy, Trump took 30 seconds to answer the question, "I think the future of cryptocurrency is very bright, really. Maybe we can use it to pay off the $35 trillion debt, right? I just scribbled a little note, $35 trillion in cryptocurrency, so we have no debt, right?"
Before taking the stage, Trump was preparing behind the curtain, with threadguy just two steps away from him. The girl filming threadguy kept urging him to do something.
threadguy raised his hand to gesture to Trump, and when Trump turned to him, he asked, "Will there be more Trump Cards in the future?" Trump said he didn't know, to which threadguy quickly added, "I'm a top holder, I love them," and Trump immediately reached out and tightly shook hands with threadguy.

As for this dinner, there was a side story where threadguy asked five different people in a row, none of whom knew they needed to buy an NFT to get in. Just because they knew someone, threadguy repeated to the camera several times, "Am I the only one who bought an NFT?"
And 5 months later, threadguy found himself embroiled in another presidential-related controversy. The Argentine coin LIBRA subjected this young man and his crypto business to a capital meat grinder. This time, without the dashing suit and golden hair, threadguy appeared on camera looking dismayed, saying, "Most people in this market will eventually be 'rekt' [wiped out]. The number of people who can truly make money is very small, and the outcome usually isn't great. No one is willing to actively promote this casino, yet I inadvertently played that role."
The Dropout Teen's Rule of Breaking the Circle
In 2021, Michael Jerome, a sophomore at the Virginia Business School, stayed in the first Zoom accounting class for less than 10 minutes before decisively leaving the meeting. The next day, he made a bold decision—to drop out and go all-in on the crypto field.
Having dabbled in trading card and sneaker flipping during his youth, Michael found himself naturally drawn to the NFT world, where he rediscovered a familiar feeling—an enthusiastic community, the possibility of making money, and the joy of collecting, all reminiscent of his past hobbies.

Michael at a basketball game
2021 was hailed as the year of NFTs. Globally, the transaction volume surrounding NFTs exceeded $19.6 billion, a 228-fold increase over 2020. NFT digital collectibles generated a total transaction volume of over 8.16 million and a total transaction value of over $6.5 billion. According to reports in the domestic media, the majority of potential NFT collectors are post-2000s and post-1990s generations, with post-1990s accounting for about 37% of NFT potential collectors, ranking first, and post-2000s accounting for about 27%, ranking second.
Michael was not a big player, nor a seasoned trader, and certainly not a project founder, so he began searching for gaps in the market. At that time, if someone wanted to learn about a particular NFT project, reliable sources of information were nearly impossible to find. Perhaps a few sporadic tweets could be found on Twitter or an outdated article. It was for this reason that Michael decided to start writing in-depth threads about projects he was genuinely interested in.
In August 2021, Michael named his newly created Twitter account DiscoverxNFT and continued to post analytical threads about NFT projects for three consecutive months. These posts had no personal style, no memes, no nonsense—just straightforward project information. As a result, DiscoverxNFT grew from zero followers to around 5,000.
Michael Mint's first NFT project was Jenkins The Valet in October 2021, for which Michael wrote a long tweet thread. At that time, the DiscoverxNFT account was still relatively unknown, and Jenkins was just getting started. In November of the same year, Michael acquired a Mutant Ape Yacht Club (MAYC), and it was during this period that his social media accounts and personal brand really took off.
Due to the strong brand impression created by Michael's tweet thread, in 2022, he changed his Twitter handle from DiscoverxNFT to threadguy.
As both DiscoverxNFT and Jenkins' influence grew, in April 2022, the Jenkins team approached Michael, hoping to bring him on board. Initially unsure of what role to offer Michael, the Jenkins team jokingly suggested the position of "Director of Vibes," to which Michael playfully agreed.
“Age Discrimination Is a Myth”
In February 2021, amid the global lockdown due to COVID, Musk and a host of Silicon Valley bigwigs gathered on Clubhouse, sparking worldwide craze for the voice-based social app. Two months later, Twitter launched its Space feature. As the features improved, hosting Spaces became a key way for the crypto community and individuals to promote themselves.
At that time, someone invited threadguy to co-host a podcast, which ultimately did not materialize but planted a seed in his mind. In the summer of 2022, threadguy began co-hosting daily Spaces with crypto OG Alex, inviting individuals from the NFT or crypto space for conversations, all from his basement home studio.
Alex highly appreciated threadguy's character, often stepping in to support this young man in many instances.
“I only co-host Twitter Spaces with threadguy because he is the top influencer in the Ethereum space. He is insanely intelligent, achieving industry-leading status not by luck but by hard work. This guy's work ethic is unparalleled, not just in the Web3 space, but even compared to ordinary folks. I truly appreciate learning from him. Yes, he's over a decade younger than me, but I learn something from him every day. Age discrimination is simply a myth.”
In November 2022, threadguy decided to independently host a show. Initially, progress was slow as individual hosting was completely different from co-hosting, and the atmosphere was quite different.
"I've made up my mind, so I thought—screw it. Even without experience, I want to do it," threadguy said. "I will think about how inviting this guest will spark discussions and what new opportunities it may bring. This is a chess game that requires careful planning."
This dropout who joined the crypto field full-time as a post-00s once expressed his understanding of what he was doing: "In the social and content field, the most important principle is to maintain a steady output. Even if you are not at the top of the industry right now or have not brought disruptive change, as long as you consistently produce high-quality content, you will eventually find yourself ahead of most people.
Many people come in all guns blazing, fully firing in just two to three months, but this approach is hard to sustain and often ends in a crash. A more stable and planned rhythm can allow you to persist for a longer time. Being able to last longer than others is often a severely underestimated competitive advantage."
Threadguy once said he "spent several months finding his voice." Since then, he has been hosting the show six days a week without interruption. This almost obsessive steady output precisely confirms his stated philosophy of survival—in the battlefield of fragmented attention, endurance itself is a moat.

In this era where traffic is paramount, attracting attention and winning audience love has become the goal of many. However, facing a market where attention is easily scattered, threadguy is clear that to survive in such an environment and maintain his influence, not only solid capabilities are required but also a forward-looking vision and adaptability to market changes.
The Cost of Chasing Traffic
In April 2023, threadguy and his Space partner Leap moved to Los Angeles. Their goal was not limited to Twitter Space, and the broader community also showed them more new opportunities and possibilities.

Left: Leap; Right: threadguy
In September of that year, threadguy officially launched his first video podcast interview with fashion brand founder Jeff Staple. In October, he released the second video, interviewing digital artist Beeple.

No doubt these guests are all deeply involved in NFT culture. threadguy will run to where the guests are for interviews, whether it's a studio or an exhibition hall. The young man's demeanor in the videos is always positive and upbeat.
As the NFT and overall crypto market landscape evolves, threadguy's interviewees are also becoming more diverse.
In June 2024, renowned Rapper Iggy Azalea and her released meme coin MOTHER caused quite a stir. Seizing this wave of celebrity coin frenzy, threadguy invited Iggy to do a video podcast together titled "Understanding Attention, Cryptocurrency, and Internet Culture."

In July, threadguy flew to Romania for the twelfth podcast interview. This time, the guest was another internet sensation, Andrew Tate. This guest, who is highly controversial and topical across the web with many fans and detractors, brought threadguy over 10 million views. On YouTube, this video's views were 15 times that of the second-ranked video.
Prior to the interview with Andrew Tate, threadguy's most successful podcast on X accumulated millions of views, while the YouTube views numbered around 1000. This interview multiplied those numbers significantly, with the X views nearly nine times the previous, reaching 8.8 million, and YouTube seeing hundreds of times growth, reaching 1.24 million. This episode allowed threadguy to reach a completely new audience, and he clearly felt the influx of new traffic.

However, this unexpected traffic peak left threadguy in distress. In the period following the interview release, threadguy's mental state deteriorated rapidly. On one hand, Andrew Tate's reputation was less than stellar. Aside from his attention-seeking antics, most of the meme coins associated with him were manipulated to experience extreme volatility, making threadguy realize the dark side of this individual.
On the other hand, the post-interview podcast traffic data decline was excessively severe, creating a sense of disconnect that threadguy found hard to accept. Reflecting on X, he said:
"I initially started doing Spaces, then moved on to podcasts, just because I enjoy chatting with interesting people and hearing them share intriguing things. But recording podcasts in reality really drained me. Due to cost and travel constraints, I can only interview the top-tier guests. Moreover, I've always refused to take on ad sponsorships (not sure why, just a bit resistant), which has made 99% of the guests I really want to chat with seem unreachable. As a result, every episode bears immense pressure to perform well, and that has completely destroyed my enthusiasm for this."
「So I decided to return to my original intention — to interact with interesting people through live streaming anytime, anywhere, without worrying about their influence or the size of their platform anymore」, a Twitch live stream link was provided below the tweet. Since then, threadguy has stopped producing traditional on-site interview video podcasts and has mostly conducted interviews through online call-ins.
The Twitch, Twitter, YouTube, and threadguy Crypto Lifestyle Matrix
However, this suspicion of the side effects of influence did not last long. The controversy brought by Andrew Tate may have been a triggering factor for threadguy's shift to using the lower-cost Twitch for content distribution. On a deeper level, he realized that the meme coin supercycle was attacking the cryptocurrency space in an unprecedented way.
Concurrent with the interview with Andrew Tate was an interview with the founder of Punm.Fun, the most thrilling crypto app of this cycle, giving his first public interview. It was this podcast episode that led threadguy to embark on a journey he later described as gradually transitioning into full-time promotion, even into promoting a meme coin casino.
Starting from a Card Game
On January 16, it was threadguy's 23rd birthday. He excitedly introduced his new recording studio during the live stream, even rolling on the floor in the empty room. A friend knocked on the door and gave threadguy a basketball, planning to take him to watch the Lakers game that evening, sitting courtside. threadguy happily spun the basketball in his hand, clearly stepping out of Andrew Tate's shadow.

Before moving into this new room, threadguy's live streaming background was an open-plan living room, and he often used a whiteboard as a backdrop. Since moving away from offline in-person interviews, threadguy's interview videos have become more personalized, with the entire live stream process interspersed with chat questions and banter.
With live streams often lasting two to three hours, the first half is spent chatting informally with the audience in the chat room, then inviting guests to discuss issues. After the live stream ends, the conversation with the guest is edited and uploaded to YouTube.
Thus, Twitch is threadguy's primary channel for conveying values, Twitter is his traffic pool, and YouTube is his content garden.
During this time, he interviewed a series of AI concept meme coin founders, including GOAT, ai16z, PIPPIN, ZEREBRO, GRIFFAIN, and others. He also interviewed Base Protocol's leader Jesse, Pudgy Penguins CEO Luca Netz, Opensea CEO Devin Finzer, as well as internet personalities like Raoul Pal and Ansem.

And this house is not only used by threadguy for live streaming. It is also the residence of him and several other KOLs who also live stream cryptocurrency content on Twitch.
Let's go back three months to the end of October when Polymarket sponsored a poker night event hosted by threadguy at this house. The dedicated poker table was set up by threadguy and his team in this house over 26 hours. Complex live streaming equipment could be seen in one corner of the room, along with the table and computer used in threadguy's previous streams.

Throughout October, threadguy prepared for this poker live stream. Besides practicing poker skills at the casino, he announced the lineup, conducted event warm-ups, and promoted Polymarket.
This event invited many crypto KOLs, including Ansem, Macdegods, Frankdegods, Based16z, Rasmr, Bitboy, and Minh. The poker game lasted for 7 hours and involved viewers placing bets on Polymarket during the game, along with Twitter interactions.

After the live stream, there were over 20,000 views on Twitch, and 800 new followers were gained. It was after this poker game live stream that threadguy officially began his Twitch streaming career. After the stream, threadguy posted on X:
"Honestly, I was so touched that I almost cried. You guys have no idea how important this is to me. This is just the beginning, the journey of streaming has just begun!"
Most of the people involved in this game were also dubbed by the community as the Los Angeles Vape Cabal.
Of course, it was not just a card game that connected them; they organized an account named "Probably Nothing" in March 2024. The members included FaZe Clan co-founder FaZe Banks, NFT project DeGods founder Frank, de Labs (DeGods' parent company) member Malcolm, and crypto Key Opinion Leaders including threadguy, rasmr, OGshoots.

This group of Los Angeles crypto enthusiasts gathered around NFT culture live-stream cryptocurrency-related content on Twitch. In addition to interviews, during live streams, threadguy, Frank, and others also analyze meme coin opportunities, review trades, and discuss market trends.
Outside of the live streams, these individuals have their own small group named the "LA Vape Cabal." A community member named Mikasa was once pulled into this group chat by a friend, and upon joining, the first opportunity seized was a meme coin called JELLYJELLY launched by former Facebook VP of Product lessin. When initially spotted, the coin had a market value of only $2 million, but within six hours, it skyrocketed to $250 million.
People in the group frantically searched through lessin's Twitter and social media to confirm if the account was compromised, then communicated within the group as if it were a matter of life and death, making sure to clarify the situation. Once they determined it was not a rug pull project, they would go all-in, of course, due to their Degen mindset; some would even go all-in from the start. Mikasa said the core that unites the people in this group chat is a phrase from Frank: "Know what you're holding." Mikasa wrote on their own social media:
Any random person pulled from this group can retire now; they basically won't have to worry about making a living for the next 5 to 10 years. Yet, they are still aggressively monitoring the market, searching for coins, and digging for insider information, as if they are barely getting by on a salary. He has not seen any signs of insider trading or dumping, which surprised him greatly, but it is also because of this that he finally understands why so many people have always stuck with Frank.
For threadguy, the first three Twitch live streams had very good performance, surpassing 2,000 subscriptions. According to the data at the time, the top 100 subscriptions on Twitch were at 7,000, and the top 25 were at 17,000. In just three days, threadguy achieved 35% progress in the top 100 subscriptions on Twitch.
The founder of Probably Nothing, Banks, once explained why he established such an organization, stating that documenting the lifestyle of the new generation of day traders and young Web3 builders is crucial, and that the Probably Nothing platform—especially this team—is the best way to achieve this goal. Evidently, threadguy's live streaming career has brought him closer to his crypto ideals.
LA Vape Stream Cabal
threadguy's last livestream was on Valentine's Day.
At 7 p.m., he was wearing a T-shirt with Snoopy on it, sharing with his audience in the livestream room a meme coin called LIBRA that was retweeted by the President of Argentina, Milei, two hours prior. In the livestream, threadguy mentioned that he bought into LIBRA when it had a $2.5 billion market cap, watched sports videos, followed the market out of FOMO, and eventually noticed whales dumping and pulling liquidity, realizing something was wrong and exited with a loss when the market cap hit around $1.2 billion.
The livestream video has been deleted on Twitch. The most widely circulated clip online from that day is one where threadguy muted the livestream and covered his mouth while taking a phone call, an action that made him the target of criticism in the "Libragate" event involving the President of Argentina.

During the initial phase of his livestreaming career, threadguy often shared live account data, believing that the market severely lacked high-quality crypto content and hoping to create more industry-relevant content.
「Just talk directly to the camera, someday you'll accidentally hit Adin Ross-level traffic.」
In February 2025, threadguy, Banks, Frank, Rasmr, and others actually went to Adin Ross's livestream room, which became their second-ranked interview video in terms of views, titled "Teaching Adin Ross How to Trade Memecoins."
Adin Ross is a top-tier streamer in today's streaming era, with over 20 million followers on platforms like YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram. The "00s" Ross, two years older than threadguy, interviewed Trump in August last year. Two years earlier, Adin Ross had also done a livestream with Andrew Tate.

In addition to Adin Ross, threadguy and others also did a video interview with internet personality Haliey Welch. Haliey, who was once the popular Hawk Tuah Girl, unexpectedly went viral in June 2024 due to a street interview video. She mimicked Hawk Tuah's (spitting sound) with a playful southern accent and gave suggestive responses, quickly spreading on social media. Like Ross, she is also a focal point of Gen Z social media.
However, this all turned into a farce. In threadguy's eyes, the release process of this episode was full of mistakes and chaos, from content leaks to the mistakenly published episode that was supposed to be canceled, to the final decision to go live. The whole team encountered severe issues at every stage, and $HAWK suffered the same fate as many celebrity meme coins.

The selection of these guests, rather than being seen as a consideration of content depth, should be viewed as a precise capture of Gen Z social media attention or, more bluntly, a naked pursuit of traffic.
The moniker "LA Vape Cabal" has evolved from a mere joke to the community's "accusation" against them. They have been accused of using their fans to rug-pull liquidity and manipulate the meme coin market. This community outrage finally erupted on LIBRA, where the video of threadguy covering his mouth and Banks making a call was seen as the "ironclad evidence" that the "LA Vape Cabal" had insider information about the Argentinian coin.
The insults poured in, with some even suggesting that the "LA Vape Cabal" was associated with the North Korean hacker group Lazarus Group. Even the group photo taken by threadguy, Adin Ross, and others during the interview, which was circulated in the community after Ross was removed, depicted them as a conspiracy group that only relied on insider trading to manipulate the meme market.

The Solana Wiki also removed the "LA Vape Cabal" entry during this controversy. The entry originally stated, "The group is known for its 'insider circle' and its controversial personalities."

Left: Restored Solana Wiki page; Right: Deleted Solana Wiki page;
On the fourth day after LIBRA's "exit scam," threadguy posted a ten-minute clarification video on X. In addition to clarifying that he had no insider information on the Argentinian coin and there was no factual evidence suggesting he engaged in insider trading, threadguy also made an unexpected statement:
At some point, the direction of my content changed. I originally focused on interviewing project teams, founders, and developers, but it gradually shifted to fully embracing, and even promoting, this "meme coin casino." This matter is now very clear, even more so than ever before—most people in this market will eventually be "rekt," very few will actually make money, and the outcome is usually not great. No one willingly promotes this casino, yet I unintentionally played that role.

Beyond the Post-00s Generation: Even Presidents Need to Have Internet Sensibility
When threadguy released the first in-depth NFT project analysis from his basement, this post-00s individual may not have realized they were tapping into the pulse of the times. The crypto world acts like a giant magnet, continuously attracting the Z generation—there are no suit-and-tie investment banking barriers, no seniority-based promotion systems, only Twitter followers, meme virality, and a beastly instinct for trends.
CoinGecko's 2025 GenZ research data shows that 18-25-year-old crypto professionals increased from 17% in 2021 to 43% in 2025. While traditional industries still require young people to "start as interns," the crypto sector has long been witnessing a more naked wealth myth: a funny NFT meme created at 3 AM may earn more than a decade-long fund manager; a live stream on Twitch discussing tokenomics while gaming may unlock millions in liquidity.
From the "Pawns" who rose to fame in a single battle with TRUMP to the billionaire founder executing millisecond business deals, age has never been a bottleneck to one's development. From Elizabeth's group dues to Ehhhh's short essays, these post-00s, like threadguy, are leaving their mark on this market in their own unique way.
This industry provides opportunities for many young people, but due to the lack of rules and barriers, it has both fueled the wildest grassroots success stories and nurtured disorder and speculation under the law of the jungle. When traditional society's educational credentials, career ladders, and resource monopolies have all failed, the Z generation, holding the keys to meme propagation, is reconstructing the value system through emojis, live stream clips, and internet slang.
Despite facing a lot of hate, the LA Vape Cabal and other publicly identified content creators play a very important role in the crypto space. Retail investors need engaging content to be drawn in, and the most effective way in 2025 is through vlogs and live streaming; anonymous culture cannot scale.
Just as people are now complaining about infrastructure oversaturation, geeky podcasts also seem to be too widespread. In some eyes, threadguy and his livestream are representative of the crypto lifestyle media, discussing the latest game they watched with fans and chatting about what they did over the weekend. Some say, "We need avant-garde to turn the industry threshold into a trend symbol—when Gen Z begins to see becoming a crypto field anchor-level KOL as a life goal, then this field has truly mainstreamed." Crypto lifestyle media may be the real ace up the sleeve of this cycle.
On the day this article was completed, threadguy made his first post after the storm and replied to a tweet from November last year, "Cryptocurrency is the most exciting and rapidly developing industry in the world today, with no other field coming close. Everyone wants to get in, but no one truly understands. In any other field, KOLs cannot directly create wealth for community members as they do in the cryptocurrency domain."
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今年 2 月,Base 生態中的 AI 協議 Virtuals 宣布跨鏈至 Solana,然而加密市場隨後進入流動性緊縮期,AI Agent 板塊從人聲鼎沸轉為低迷,Virtuals 生態也陷入一段蟄伏期。
三月初,BlockBeats 對 Virtuals 共同創辦人 empty 進行了一次專訪。彼時,團隊尚未推出如今被廣泛討論的 Genesis Launch 機制,但已在內部持續探索如何透過機制設計激活舊資產、提高用戶參與度,並重構代幣發行與融資路徑。那是一個市場尚未復甦、生態尚處冷啟動階段的時間點,Virtuals 團隊卻沒有停下腳步,而是在努力尋找新的產品方向和敘事突破口。
兩個月過去,AI Agent 板塊重新升溫,Virtuals 代幣反彈超 150%,Genesis 機製成為帶動生態回暖的重要觸發器。從積分獲取規則的動態調整,到專案參與熱度的持續上升,再到「新代幣帶老代幣」的機制閉環,Virtuals 逐漸走出寒冬,並再次站上討論焦點。
值得注意的是,Virtuals 的 Genesis 機制與近期 Binance 推出的 Alpha 積分系統有一些相似之處,評估用戶在 Alpha 和幣安錢包生態系統內的參與度,決定用戶 Alpha 代幣空投的資格。用戶可透過持倉、交易等方式獲得積分,積分越高,參與新項目的機會越大。透過積分系統篩選使用者、分配資源,專案方能夠更有效地激勵社群參與,提升專案的公平性和透明度。 Virtuals 和 Binance 的探索,或許預示著加密融資的新趨勢正在形成。
回看這次對話,empty 在專訪中所展現出的思路與判斷,正在一步步顯現其前瞻性,這不僅是一場圍繞打新機制的訪談,更是一次關於“資產驅動型 AI 協議”的路徑構建與底層邏輯的深度討論。
BlockBeats:可以簡單分享一下最近團隊主要在忙些什麼?
empty:目前我們的工作重點主要有兩個部分。第一部分,我們希望將 Virtuals 打造成一個類似「華爾街」的代理人(Agent)服務平台。設想一下,如果你是專注於 Agent 或 Agent 團隊建立的創業者,從融資、發幣到流動性退出,整個流程都需要係統性的支援。我們希望為真正專注於 Agent 和 AI 研發的團隊,提供這一整套服務體系,讓他們可以把精力集中在底層能力的開發上,而不用為其他環節分心。這一塊的工作其實也包括了與散戶買賣相關的內容,後面可以再詳細展開。
第二部分,我們正在深入推進 AI 相關的佈局。我們的願景是建立一個 AI 社會,希望每個 Agent 都能聚焦自身優勢,同時透過彼此之間的協作,實現更大的價值。因此,最近我們發布了一個新的標準——ACP(Agent Communication Protocol),目的是讓不同的 Agent 能夠相互互動、協作,共同推動各自的業務目標。這是目前我們主要在推進的兩大方向。
BlockBeats:可以再展開說說嗎?
empty:在我看來,其實我們面對的客戶群可以分為三類:第一類是專注於開發 Agent 的團隊;第二類是投資者,包括散戶、基金等各種投資機構;第三類則是 C 端用戶,也就是最終使用 Agent 產品的個人用戶。
不過,我們主要的精力其實是放在前兩大類──也就是團隊和投資人。對於 C 端用戶這一塊,我們並不打算直接介入,而是希望各個 Agent 團隊能夠自己解決 C 端市場的拓展問題。
此外,我們也認為,Agent 與 Agent 之間的交互作用應該成為一個核心模式。簡單來說,就是未來的服務更多應該是由一個 Agent 銷售或提供給另一個 Agent,而不是單純賣給人類使用者。因此,在團隊的 BD 工作中,我們也積極幫助現有的 AI 團隊尋找這樣的客戶和合作機會。
BlockBeats:大概有一些什麼具體案例呢?
empty:「華爾街」說白了就是圍繞資本運作體系的建設,假設你是一個技術團隊,想要融資,傳統路徑是去找 VC 募資,拿到資金後開始發展。如果專案做得不錯,接下來可能會考慮進入二級市場,例如在紐約證券交易所上市,或是在 Binance 這樣的交易所上幣,實現流動性退出。
我們希望把這一整套流程打通-從早期融資,到專案開發過程中對資金的靈活使用需求,再到最終二級市場的流動性退出,全部覆蓋和完善,這是我們希望補齊的一條完整鏈條。
而這一部分的工作和 ACP(Agent Communication Protocol)是不同的,ACP 更多是關於 Agent 與 Agent 之間交互標準的製定,不直接涉及資本運作系統。
BlockBeats:它和現在 Virtuals 的這個 Launchpad 有什麼差別呢?資金也是從 C 端來是嗎?
empty:其實現在你在 Virtuals 上發幣,如果沒有真正融到資金,那就只是發了一個幣而已,實際是融不到錢的。我們目前能提供的服務,是透過設定買賣時的交易稅機制,從中提取一部分稅收回饋給創業者,希望這部分能成為他們的現金流來源。
不過,問題其實還分成兩塊。第一是如何真正幫助團隊完成融資,這個問題目前我們還沒有徹底解決。第二是關於目前專案發行模式本身存在的結構性問題。簡單來說,現在的版本有點像過去 Pumpfun 那種模式——也就是當專案剛上線時,部分籌碼就被外賣給了外部投資人。但現實是,目前整個市場上存在著太多機構集團和「狙擊手」。
當一個真正優秀的專案一發幣,還沒真正觸達普通散戶,就已經被機構在極高估值時搶購了。等到散戶能夠接觸到時,往往價格已經偏高,專案品質也可能變差,整個價值發行體係被扭曲。
針對這個問題,我們希望探索一種新的發幣和融資模式,目的是讓專案方的籌碼既不是死死握在自己手裡,也不是優先流向英文圈的大機構,而是能夠真正留給那些相信專案、願意長期支持專案的普通投資者手中。我們正在思考該如何設計這樣一個新的發行機制,來解決這個根本問題。
BlockBeats:新模式的具體想法會是什麼樣子呢?
empty:關於資金這一塊,其實我們目前還沒有完全想透。現階段來看,最直接的方式還是去找 VC 融資,或是採取公開預售等形式進行資金募集。不過說實話,我個人對傳統的公開預售模式並不是特別認同。
在「公平發售」這件事上,我們正在嘗試換一個角度來思考-希望能從「reputation」出發,重新設計機制。
具體來說,就是如果你對整個 Virtuals 生態有貢獻,例如早期參與、提供支持或建設,那麼你就可以在後續購買優質代幣時享有更高的優先權。透過這種方式,我們希望把資源更多留給真正支持生態發展的用戶,而不是由短期套利的人主導。
BlockBeats:您會不會考慮採用類似之前 Fjord Foundry 推出的 LBP 模式,或者像 Daos.fun 那種採用白名單機制的模式。這些模式在某種程度上,和您剛才提到的「對生態有貢獻的人享有優先權」的想法是有些相似的。不過,這類做法後來也引發了一些爭議,例如白名單內部操作、分配不公等問題。 Virtuals 在設計時會考慮借鏡這些模式的優點,或有針對性地規避類似的問題嗎?
empty:我認為白名單機制最大的問題在於,白名單的選擇權掌握在專案方手中。這和「老鼠倉」行為非常相似。專案方可以選擇將白名單名額分配給自己人或身邊的朋友,導致最終的籌碼仍然掌握在少數人手中。
我們希望做的,依然是類似白名單的機制,但不同的是,白名單的獲取權應基於一個公開透明的規則體系,而不是由項目方單方面決定。只有這樣,才能真正做到公平分配,避免內幕操作的問題。
我認為在今天這個 AI 時代,很多時候創業並不需要大量資金。我常跟團隊強調,你們應該優先考慮自力更生,例如透過組成社區,而不是一開始就想著去融資。因為一旦融資,實際上就等於背負了負債。
我們更希望從 Training Fee的角度去看待早期發展路徑。也就是說,專案可以選擇直接發幣,透過交易稅所帶來的現金流,支持日常營運。這樣一來,專案可以在公開建設的過程中獲得初步資金,而不是依賴外部投資。如果專案做大了,自然也會有機會透過二級市場流動性退出。
當然最理想的情況是,專案本身能夠有穩定的現金流來源,這樣甚至連自己的幣都無需拋售,這才是真正健康可持續的狀態。
我自己也常在和團隊交流時分享這種思路,很有意思的是,那些真正抱著「搞快錢」心態的項目,一聽到這種機制就失去了興趣。他們會覺得,在這種模式下,既無法操作老鼠倉,也很難短期套利,於是很快就選擇離開。
但從我們的角度來看,這其實反而是個很好的篩選機制。透過這種方式,理念不同的專案自然會被過濾出去,最後留下的,都是那些願意真正建立、和我們價值觀契合的團隊,一起把事情做起來。
BlockBeats:這個理念可以發展出一些能夠創造收益的 AI agent。
empty:我覺得這是很有必要的。坦白說,放眼今天的市場,真正擁有穩定現金流的產品幾乎鳳毛麟角,但我認為這並不意味著我們應該停止嘗試。事實上,我們每天在對接的團隊中,有至少一半以上的人依然懷抱著長遠的願景。很多時候,他們甚至已經提前向我們提供了 VC 階段的資金支持,或表達了強烈的合作意願。
其實對他們來說想要去收穫一個很好的社區,因為社區可以給他們的產品做更好的回饋,這才是他們真正的目的。這樣聽起來有一點匪夷所思,但其實真的有很多這樣的團隊,而那種團隊的是我們真的想扶持的團隊。
BlockBeats:您剛才提到的這套「AI 華爾街」的產品體系-從融資、發行到退出,建構的是一整套完整的流程。這套機制是否更多是為了激勵那些有意願發幣的團隊?還是說,它在設計上也考慮瞭如何更好地支持那些希望透過產品本身的現金流來發展的團隊?這兩類團隊在您這套體系中會不會被區別對待,或者說有什麼機制設計能讓不同路徑的創業者都能被合理支持?
empty:是的,我們 BD 的核心職責其實就是去鼓勵團隊發幣。說得直接一點,就是引導他們思考發幣的可能性和意義。所以團隊最常問的問題就是:「為什麼要發幣?」這時我們需要採取不同的方式和角度,去幫助他們理解背後的價值邏輯。當然如果最終判斷不適合,我們也不會強迫他們推進。
不過我們觀察到一個非常明顯的趨勢,傳統的融資路徑已經越來越難走通了。過去那種融資做大,發幣上所的模式已經逐漸失效。面對這樣的現實,很多團隊都陷入了尷尬的境地。而我們希望能從鏈上和加密的視角,提供一套不同的解決方案,讓他們找到新的發展路徑。
BlockBeats:明白,我剛才其實想表達的是,您剛剛也提到,傳統的 AI 模式在很大程度上仍然依賴「燒錢」競爭。但在 DeepSeek 出現之後,市場上一些資金體積較小的團隊或投資人開始重新燃起了信心,躍躍欲試地進入這個領域。您怎麼看待這種現象?這會不會對目前正在做 AI 基礎研發,或是 AI 應用層開發的團隊產生一定的影響?
empty:對,我覺得先不談 DeepSeek,從傳統角度來看,其實到目前為止,AI 領域真正賺錢的只有英偉達,其他幾乎所有玩家都還沒有實現盈利。所以其實沒有人真正享受了這個商業模式的成果,大家也仍在探索如何面對 C 端打造真正有產出的應用。
沒有哪個領域像幣圈一樣能如此快速獲得社群回饋。你一發幣,用戶就會主動去讀白皮書的每一個字,試試你產品的每個功能。
當然,這套機制並不適合所有人。例如有些 Agent 產品偏 Web2,對於幣圈用戶而言,可能感知不到其價值。因此,我也會鼓勵做 Agent 的團隊在 Virtuals 生態中認真思考,如何真正將 Crypto 作為自身產品的差異化要素加以運用與設計。
BlockBeats:這點我特別認同,在 Crypto 這個領域 AI 的迭代速度確實非常快,但這群用戶給予的回饋,真的是代表真實的市場需求嗎?或者說這些回饋是否真的符合更大眾化、更具規模性的需求?
empty:我覺得很多時候產品本身不應該是強行推廣給不適合的使用者群體。例如 AIXBT 最成功的一點就在於,它的用戶本身就是那群炒作他人內容的人,所以他們的使用行為是非常自然的,並不覺得是在被迫使用一個無聊的產品。 mass adoption 這個概念已經講了很多年,大家可能早就該放棄這個執念了。我們不如就認了,把東西賣給幣圈的人就好了。
BlockBeats:AI Agent 與 AI Agent 所對應的代幣之間,究竟應該是什麼樣的動態關係?
empty:對,我覺得這裡可以分成兩個核心點。首先其實不是在投資某個具體的 AI Agent,而是在投資背後經營這個 Agent 的團隊。你應該把它理解為一種更接近創投的思路:你投的是這個人,而不是他目前正在做的產品。因為產品本身是可以快速變化的,可能一個月後團隊會發現方向不對,立即調整。所以,這裡的「幣」本質上代表的是對團隊的信任,而不是某個特定 Agent 本身。
第二則是期望一旦某個 Agent 產品做出來後,未來它能真正產生現金流,或者有實際的使用場景(utility),從而讓對應的代幣具備賦能效應。
BlockBeats:您覺得有哪些賦能方式是目前還沒看到的,但未來可能出現、值得期待的?
empty:其實主要有兩塊,第一是比較常見的那種你要使用我的產品,就必須付費,或者使用代幣支付,從而間接實現對代幣的「軟銷毀」或消耗。
但我覺得更有趣的賦能方式,其實是在獲客成本的角度思考。也就是說,你希望你的用戶同時也是你的投資者,這樣他們就有動機去主動幫你推廣、吸引更多用戶。
BlockBeats:那基於這些觀點,您怎麼看 ai16z,在專案設計和代幣機制方面,似乎整體表現並不太樂觀?
empty:從一個很純粹的投資角度來看,撇開我們與他們之間的關係,其實很簡單。他們現在做的事情,對代幣本身沒有任何賦能。從開源的角度來看,一個開源模型本身是無法直接賦能代幣的。
但它仍然有價值的原因在於,它像一個期權(call option),也就是說,如果有一天他們突然決定要做一些事情,比如推出一個 launchpad,那麼那些提前知道、提前參與的人,可能會因此受益。
開發者未來確實有可能會使用他們的 Launchpad,只有在那一刻,代幣才會真正產生賦能。這是目前最大的一個問號——如果這個模式真的跑得通,我認為確實會非常強大,因為他們的確觸達了大量開發者。
但我個人還是有很多疑問。例如即使我是使用 Eliza 的開發者,也不代表我一定會選擇在他們的 Launchpad 上發幣。我會貨比三家,會比較。而且,做一個 Launchpad 和做一個開源框架,所需的產品能力和社群運作能力是完全不同的,這是另一個重要的不確定性。
BlockBeats:這種不同是體現在什麼地方呢?
empty:在 Virtuals 上我們幾乎每天都在處理客服相關的問題,只要有任何一個團隊在我們平台上發生 rug,即使與我們沒有直接關係,用戶也會第一時間來找我們投訴。
這時我們就必須出面安撫用戶,並思考如何降低 rug 的整體風險。一旦有團隊因為自己的代幣設計錯誤或技術失誤而被駭客攻擊、資產被盜,我們往往需要自掏腰包,確保他們的社群至少能拿回一點資金,以便專案能夠重新開始。這些項目方可能在技術上很強,但未必擅長代幣發行,結果因操作失誤被攻擊導致資產損失。只要涉及「被欺騙」相關的問題,對我們來說就已經是非常麻煩的事了,做這些工作跟做交易所的客服沒有太大差別。
另一方面,做 BD 也非常困難。優秀的團隊手上有很多選擇,他們可以選擇在 Pumpfun 或交易所上發幣,為什麼他們要來找我們,那這背後必須要有一整套支援體系,包括融資支援、技術協助、市場推廣等,每個環節都不能出問題。
BlockBeats:那我們就繼續沿著這個話題聊聊 Virtuals 目前的 Launchpad 業務。有一些社群成員在 Twitter 上統計了 Virtuals Launchpad 的整體獲利狀況,確實目前看起來獲利的項目比較少。接下來 Launchpad 還會是 Virtuals 的主要業務區嗎?還是說,未來的重心會逐漸轉向您剛才提到的「AI 華爾街」這條路徑?
empty:其實這兩塊本質上是一件事,是一整套體系的一部分,所以我們必須繼續推進。市場的波動是很正常的,我們始終要堅持的一點是:非常清楚地認識到我們的核心客戶是誰。我一直強調我們的客戶只有兩類——團隊。所以市場行情的好壞對我們來說並不是最重要的,關鍵是在每一個關鍵節點上,對於一個團隊來說,發幣的最佳選擇是否依然是我們 Virtuals。
BlockBeats:您會不會擔心「Crypto + AI」或「Crypto AI Agent」這一類敘事已經過去了?如果未來還有一輪多頭市場,您是否認為市場炒作的焦點可能已經不再是這些方向了?
empty:有可能啊,我覺得 it is what it is,這確實是有可能發生的,但這也屬於我們無法控制的範圍。不過如果你問我,在所有可能的趨勢中,哪個賽道更有機會長期保持領先,我仍然認為是 AI。從一個打德撲的角度來看,它仍然是最優選擇。
而且我們團隊的技術架構和底層能力其實早已搭建完成了,現在只是順勢而為而已。更重要的是,我們本身真的熱愛這件事,帶著好奇心去做這件事。每天早上醒來就有驅動力去研究最新的技術,這種狀態本身就挺讓人滿足的,對吧?
很多時候,大家不應該只看產品本身。實際上很多優秀的團隊,他們的基因決定了他們有在規則中勝出的能力——他們可能過去在做派盤交易時,每筆規模就是上百萬的操作,而這些團隊的 CEO,一年的薪資可能就有 100 萬美金。如果他們願意出來單幹項目,從天使投資或 VC 的視角來看,這本質上是用一個很划算的價格買到一個高品質的團隊。
更何況這些資產是 liquid 的,不是鎖倉狀態。如果你當下不急著用錢,完全可以在早期階段買進一些優秀團隊的代幣,靜靜等待他們去創造一些奇蹟,基本上就是這樣一個邏輯。