Web3 Carnival Micro Essay: Amidst the Winter of Prosperity, a Signature Chicken Hotpot has become the Jerusalem
From April 6 to April 9, Web3 Carnival was held at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Center. As a highly anticipated event in the industry, this carnival brought together the top global forces in the Web3 space. Looking at the on-site photos shared by participants, compared to the bustling crowds of previous years, this year's conference seemed noticeably more subdued.

Nevertheless, the conference was still full of true builders, with the density of core industry participants even higher than in previous years. The topics covered not only regulation, technical infrastructure and public chain ecology, AI, Depin, RWA, Payfi, crypto finance, and other Web3 industry focuses but also spanned diverse fields such as Web2 to Web3, traditional finance, academic institutions, security privacy, interactive entertainment, and industrial-grade application landing. Moreover, the 2025 Hong Kong Web3 Carnival took the four seasons as its theme, interpreting the spirit of Web3 through the traditional Chinese poetic imagery, showcasing a unique narrative of the integration of technology and humanities.
BlockBeats has selected four insights from participants, covering market sentiment, technology trends, investment direction, and more. The full text is reprinted below:
Tu Shijun
Original title "Looking back on these three years at the Hong Kong Carnival: Enthusiasm, Disenchantment, and Transcendence"
This is a short essay about the Hong Kong web3 carnival. It may sound a bit harsh, but I want to talk about those past events and why they have been debunked.
1. Is the Hong Kong Web3 Carnival Cold?
Cold, that was also the first impression of many people. The previous conference was overcrowded, with a crowd pushing forward, but this time it was almost all familiar project teams, VIP rooms empty with no one, not many people coming to see the exhibition. Where will the liquidity and creativity come from in the future? However, there are more people wearing suits, and the underlying logic of the industry seems to be undergoing a restructuring.
The source of the cold feel, some say, comes from the strange layout of the venue, making it look empty. Some say that the preparation by Wanchain was inadequate, making it difficult to invite guests, lacking project teams. Even the price for on-stage speeches has returned to calmness, and some voices sound more like they are proving, "I am still alive, just not dead yet."
In my view, the relationship between the East and the West is still a case of a hot face against a cold bottom. There are significantly fewer Western faces. Three years in, in the field of Web3 (perhaps in many other fields as well). Even if Vitalik visited in person, apart from fan selfies and socializing, what remained was certain bald clowns who have played a role in ruining the industry unilaterally.
At the core are cultural and aspirational differences. Those who treat the achievements of web3 as a mere gambling den, relying on screenshots of snagging three bananas in each cycle, are influencing the overall direction to build more slot machines, lure more gamblers, and siphon off the acquisition efforts of builders.
In the Western public blockchain community's appeal to the East, you are mostly seen as a user rather than a partner. Is it that others are not playing along, or is there an issue within oneself? Or is it that what everyone is pursuing is not the same thing, while still hoping to play together?
2. Is RWA Right?
Every keynote speech features more than half of the slides as photo ops; when will the content catch up with the chosen titles?
RWA has become this year's mainstream narrative, but does it have a significant difference in underlying logic compared to NFTs three years ago, Inscriptions two years ago, or Memes a year ago? If you carefully examine the underlying basis of each cycle, you will find that everything, once seen from a macro perspective, will ultimately be deemed correct and just. RWA is nothing more than a shell topic for a new macro perspective.
However, in reality, grand narratives often tend to indiscriminately ignore the rights of thousands of individuals, giving a sense of "all things are for the greater good," sometimes not even for a greater good, just a number. Seizing a mainstream narrative, of course, can lead to success; Phantom seized the Sol and Meme airdrop, Bitget seized the TG ecosystem, adopted a multi-chain strategy along with the annual narrative, and their annual growth has been significant.
But achieving growth in this industry has never been a difficult task; the challenge lies in retention (adequate resources and momentum in place, which would have more of a flywheel effect than the growth explosion of the traditional Internet). What is done using blockchain is still limited and basically not a daily necessity. After the wallet wars of the past, even UniSat, which was the hottest last year, has not been opened for so long, nor does it need to be opened, adding to the melancholy.
The institutions of RWA are also facing the PPT scam of the Web2 elite halo from the last narrative wave, individuals who keep talking about "empowering the ecosystem" but have never even used a wallet. Interestingly, BTC's value does not care about narratives, which gives hope, as those who chase narratives generally cannot keep up, while those who create narratives have the opportunity to turn the tables.
3. Is V Still Good?
What kind of conspiracy is most terrifying to contemplate? I think it is turning the essence of tragedy into a trap of choices, whether it is the burning of self-destruction or the decay of slow suicide. The most terrifying part is that no matter which path you choose, it will only add shackles to the exploration on the other path. V is already standing at a difficult crossroad, and no matter which choice is made, it cannot escape either individual or collective tragedy.
Indeed, V is a genius, V's work ethic is also industry-leading, and V is very young. When it comes to the future of Ethereum, the biggest opportunity lies in such a young mind with a vision, bringing unlimited growth potential. However, behind every characteristic is a downside. Being 30 years old comes with its own drawbacks. It's too easy to be surrounded by villains and too easy to fall for sweet words.
In every speech V gives at each conference, he is fully committed to L2, which is very right, with plenty of logically consistent reasons. One of the great reasons is that the EF excels most on-chain rather than off-chain. He has endless on-chain creativity, but how to connect to the off-chain needs partners to do so. However, the EF has already run out of cake to share. So, why not leave a booth open as a platform for every project to bring its own resources? The EF gives you all the recognition you want.
But who conveyed these reasons to V? Why did it become his entrenched scaling direction? If L1 itself is good enough, why the need for an empty city like L2? What about the gap between L2s? As EF transitions to the next phase upgrade, returning to the L1 experience, the biggest resistance will no longer come from L1 itself but from the L2s. This is the current choice trap.
4. Web3 + Gaming Unwillingness but a Trap
In the dozens of conferences before and after this event, it was the web3 gaming sessions that dared to speak the truth, perhaps because there were fewer people, so there was more grounded insight. I initially entered the industry due to loot, Axie, and sneaker flipping, but now everyone is awake. Players are awake, investors are awake, and only the former obsession remains stubborn. Those still involved here can only console themselves: ecosystem positioning, defensive position, cost considerations.
There were countless good reasons in the past for games to become a good business, and even three years ago, gaming licenses were the catalyst for the explosion of web3 games. The hardware requirements of games are naturally different from other financial scenarios, so the public chain for web3 games has always been a promising direction.
However, looking at play-to-earn, on-chain, and Telegram games, they have all become traps. Because in the B-circle's game, the dopamine reward is not as good as inscribing. During inscription, who wasn't naturally waking up at 6 a.m. and struggling to fall asleep at 3 a.m.? What game can have the most pure and effective core incentive that goes straight to the heart? But if they don't attract new users to each other, all they do is inflate the data through mutual game traffic to deceive investors. It used to be just falsifying accounting data, and now it's even colluding in audits to fabricate data. Even those who invest in web3 games don't play the games themselves, they've only played Contra.
The cryptocurrency world should just focus on DeFi and not get involved in gaming. Meanwhile, gaming companies view Web3 as a new field for developing games. From Perfect World to South Korean gaming conglomerates, and now to the Western metaverse grand narrative, all are situated in the wasteland left behind by the cryptocurrency community's gaming endeavors. Throughout, it's been these overindulged users with a user base of 1 million, demanding that if a game doesn't integrate blockchain, they won't play it. And if it does integrate blockchain, they only engage with its financial aspects, leading them to instead play meme-based games.
If you try to educate external users starting from ground zero to onboard the blockchain, you'll ask yourself, "What's the point?" Educating these frustrated users—who would willingly take on such a task? However, gaming itself is indeed a lucrative business. Even miHoYo, receiving a mere 10% uplift in total revenue from the peripheral aspects of gaming, can still achieve a 70% gross margin.
Currently, one cannot find a team in the market solely focused on gaming profits. Gaming, as a product that provides emotional value, generates value even throughout its development process. This stands in stark contrast to many on-chain products that are purely results-based (such as the laborious creation of public blockchains, which lose all value if nobody engages with them).
Therefore, gaming will continue to attract some lingering investors who refuse to give up hope. With 600 million active addresses, some believe this to be the 1994 of the internet era—so let's keep accumulating while believing that thicker manure brings sweeter blooms.
5. Is the Bear Market Here?
Over these years, we've witnessed relatively bearish but not the most bearish of times. We've also experienced breakthrough periods, with each narrative experiencing moments of confusion, seemingly coinciding with events around HK conferences. Following last year's Bitcoin Asia, the market cooled, putting more pressure on project teams. With more opaque operations, it becomes increasingly difficult to think rationally. The symposium this time around may feature many familiar faces, but the projects themselves have gone through 2-3 iterations. Even though serial entrepreneurs are often mocked, they are actually more worth cherishing.
Those familiar with market cycles know that a bear market is the Builder's opportunity. With years of experience in navigating pitfalls, one now understands better what can survive. The "Enterprise Blockchain" movement was widely seen as a dead end, but with the emergence of L2 solutions, this movement has been revitalized, as exemplified by Soneium. The increasingly ineffective "decel" community can roar about how various mainstream actors are unethical and subpar, but it fails to provide better alternatives.
But these are all pitfalls. DeFi intended to replace banks, NFTs aimed to redefine ownership, and the metaverse was supposed to become the new gathering place. Yet, after billions of dollars in commitments, the only things widely used are stablecoins and their corresponding trading pairs and markets. Some say that businesses without repeat customers have a tough road ahead, requiring continuous acquisition of new users. In certain scenarios, this involves long-term after-sales service and entangling with existing customers until they go out of business. In reality, businesses with high liquidity that lack core retention strategies also face significant challenges.
In this business, the group that has suffered the most in this cycle is the new vulnerable group: VCs. They used to be the ones who guided projects, where catching a good project meant a hundredfold return. Now, they are being bled dry by project teams, with little opportunity to profit. Post-TGE token sales also benefit the project team and liquidity providers first. They no longer dare to invest further, as for every investment they make, they end up losing. Instead of attributing this to issues within the industry, it's more accurate to say it's a problem with how early-stage project teams operate. The era of building infrastructure based solely on narratives has come to an end, and projects with high valuations and low liquidity no longer have room to thrive. The valuation systems of all VC projects are being reshaped, and older projects are being reorganized.
In this new cycle, don't be too reliant on policies. While there have been significant changes in Hong Kong, the underlying sentiment remains: "We accept it as long as it doesn't mess things up." In today's market, institutions have taken over. It's no longer a landscape where small entrepreneurial ideas can challenge the status quo. You either adapt and learn this game or be phased out. Unilateral dominance is not easy to achieve. The collaboration between institutions and entrepreneurs has just begun.
6. Where Are the Opportunities Ahead?
It may seem like scolding, but those who have made mistakes deserve criticism. Once the criticism is done, it's time to return to rationality because not everything in recent years has been a total disaster. After the Mingwen incident, there was a moment of unpreparedness, but half a year later, what remained was the meticulous optimization of infrastructure. The current meme storm has also passed halfway, from Gmgn to Axiom, leaving behind products that understand user needs and are well-versed in the underlying technology of the blockchain. Many lack expertise in the underlying technology, making it impossible to achieve excellence.
Along with the sudden rise of projects like Gmgn that didn't know how to share the cake, they forced top talents to flow within the industry. Once in deep waters, a group of individuals completed user education and outreach within the industry and directed a shift towards high school academic research, laying a solid foundation for future industry talent. In terms of direction, the allure of creating a blockchain has diminished, and the focus of funds has shifted towards major protocols. While VCs have become more cautious during this time, the tools layer, catering to a clear business model and user base, has actually reached a stage where objective evaluation is possible.
Cryptography has reached its limit, and the subjects of user operations are breaking boundaries. Many real-world behaviors cannot be proven by cryptography, and not all issues can be solved through decentralization. Efficiency and technological limitations lie there, where each bottleneck represents an opportunity. The future will not always perpetuate an irreconcilable gap between centralization and decentralization. Both sides will need to compromise.
Without a clear goal in sight, what should be done is to protect one's focus, enhance the ability to discern what is trash, and maintain a positive attitude amidst the fluctuations of the cycles to live a fulfilling life.
7. In Conclusion
My disappointment with this industry is genuine and stems from overblown early expectations. The notion of creating 'web3' has been regarded as the next-generation foundational infrastructure on a grand scale. However, now, if it is seen as merely Crypto Finance 3, it becomes more rational. It's unnecessary to pay attention to endeavors that have nothing to do with crypto finance. There will always be a group of people in the world striving for freedom, and having the optimal tools and facilities for these individuals is already a significant achievement.
Dear reader, your attention is precious. Don't let others' gossip fill your life. Otherwise, when the information source for ordinary people is monopolized by Twitter KOLs and abstract communities, you will only become a "consensus cannon fodder." What is truly worth paying attention to is always those who have excelled in their field and incidentally become KOLs.
A friend (@Odyssey_Leexixi) said: Nowadays, people no longer believe in various inflated bubbles, which is also reflected in the conference. The low-hanging fruit has been picked, and everyone is now pursuing product-market fit, creating products that truly meet user needs, have cash flow, and a business model. From market dream rate to market share rate, I really like this shift because it is what I have always wanted to do.
Princess Christine @0xsexybanana
Princess's Hong Kong meetup insights:
1. VCs Losing Influence, Becoming the Saddest Existence in This Cycle.
Project parties are manufacturers, KOLs are live streamers, and Binance is the Tmall Marketplace. The market has entered a stage where project parties directly find KOLs to promote and sell coins on Binance. VC endorsements have lost their promotional value. VCs: bought in at worse prices and have longer lock-up periods than anyone else. Some VCs have started transitioning to become marketing agencies, moved to the secondary market, or downsized.
2. Industry Moving from Hype to Reality.
People have actually started thinking about PMF, CAC, revenue, and other extremely practical issues. This is the beginning of the era where good money drives out bad money.
3. Many Tracks That Seem Alive Are Actually Dead.
Confirmed dead tracks: Gamefi
Narratives in decline: BTCfi, modularity, DeFi 2.0
Narratives struggling to resist decline: AI, TON
Stable and improving narratives: RWA, payment Pay-fi like @0xinfini, and Consumer Apps
4. Project Founders Have Become Down-to-Earth.
They have styled their hair like Gen Z, and started mingling with the younger generation. After all, they are the wealthiest and most dynamic group in this market.
5. One-Pot Chicken Hotpot Becomes Jerusalem.
The main venue is deserted, while the sub-venues, represented by spicy crab under the bridge and one-pot chicken hotpot, are bustling. If no one invites you to chicken hotpot and spicy crab, then you are most likely not part of this inner circle.
6, Everyone is a Super Individual.
Everyone is acting as a key opinion leader (KOL), every KOL is acting as a marketing agency. Every agency is trying to establish a direct connection with the project team to gain more influence.
7, Having a Chinese Girlfriend is the Fastest Way to Practice Chinese.
Xiao V fluently spoke Chinese for an hour at the GCC event. More fluent than at the 2049 event last year. This indicates that the fastest way to master a language is through dating.
8, The Turn of the Era, The Division of Crowds.
The ancient godfathers, with their bellies full, toasting and disappearing into the background, resolving enmities with a smile. The newly arrived beautiful female KOLs sing melodious songs, their smiles as bright as flowers, and the female groups sing and dance, embellishing peace. Soldiers have no constant position, water has no constant shape. Everything is changing. Here, nothing is eternal.
ZTZZ ฿ @ZTZZBTC
I basically don't attend those crowded large-scale events; I mostly focus on gathering projects for private discussions. This time I attended the BN event for a whole night, and I missed the BG event. I saw many interesting things, and I also communicated with several bosses. Today, I took some time to write about my impressions of Hong Kong and reflections on the industry:
1. There are too many so-called "KOLs" in the industry, and they can be divided into three categories:
The first category consists of people with true insights and skills, where being a KOL is just a side gig. This round has brought them good results, and they will ascend to higher stages in the industry in the future. The second category includes KOLs who made some money during the bull market but spent most of it. Relying on their large following, they cling to the project teams and conspiracy groups, appearing to be the clever ones in the KOL group. They excel at creating group topics to attract traffic. Generally, they are more anxious, feeling the vulnerability of their moats for the first time. The third category comprises those who have just become KOLs, unable to get advertisements, a large number of hangers-on, bordering on female flower vases, etc., extremely anxious. They have no skills but manage to attend events forcefully, "pretending to be there."
2. The quality of this generation of KOLs is far inferior to the KOLs of 2017-2018. Looking back, the knowledge, drive for disruption, and even the foresight of the 17-18 KOLs placed them at the top tier in the internet arena.
3. It's still the old saying: People whose main identity is a KOL are basically not worth following. People in the crypto industry who have their main jobs and are willing to share can be observed. Especially, KOLs who have reached the top of the industry and share methodologies should be focused on. I really don't want to talk much about KOLs; there isn't much to talk about. At the BN event, I met a few veteran VCs, one of whom came up to me and said, "There are so many people, I don't know anyone, can you introduce me?" I just quietly replied, "I don't know them either, and I don't need to know them. 90% of these people will disappear without a trace in 3 years, and the rest, we will naturally get to know." Then, we both burst into laughter. Bull markets and bear markets are the best filtering machines in the crypto world.
Let's Talk About the Project Team:
4. As expected, true talents shine in the fire. Interesting projects and teams have started to emerge during the bear market. However, the next hot trend is not yet clear. Also, many VCs have lost a lot of money, so now everyone is in a cautious investment state. If you are a new entrepreneurial project team, do not give up thinking and do not stop working hard. I originally wanted to say some motivational words here, but I typed and deleted them. I can only condense it into one sentence: "Wish you good luck!"
5. Most of the people entering the circle in this round of projects are highly educated individuals, and their commonalities are quite evident, which we will discuss in the next article. The grassroots heroes of the crypto world have indeed become fewer.
6. Some projects are still alive but already dead. Many project owners are eagerly seeking exit routes.
As for the Trading Platform:
7. In fact, the biggest challenge faced by most is an organizational structure problem. This is an insurmountable issue that every large company faces. Simply put, the leadership knows what needs to be done but does not know how to execute it. The execution team knows how to implement but does not know what they are doing.
8. A veteran project owner once said, "MEME, this thing, is almost incomprehensible to people over 30 years old outside the circle. Older people in the circle react slower but will try to understand." If you understand these two points, think about the recent activities of Justin Sun and CZ. You should then understand why Binance is the world's largest exchange and why it stands strong.
9. There is indeed an opportunity for overtaking in the on-chain trading platform race. It shouldn't be just some BOT robot. The ultimate form of this product is still unclear, but the moment this thing truly emerges, it will be like a supernova explosion, bringing impact and challenge to the dominance of CEX trading platforms.
As for VCs:
10. After this bull-bear cycle, surviving veteran VCs in the crypto world are basically hard to defeat, belonging to top-tier institutions that have firmly established themselves in the crypto world. Please respect these individuals.
11. For those who have invested in bad projects, quickly talk to the project team and see if there is any way to piece together a path for an exit strategy.
12. I know there isn't much to invest in the market. Some friends have turned their attention to WEB2. However, please be cautious when investing in people who come from WEB2 to the crypto world. They have pitfalls to navigate in project execution and implementation. Moreover, most of these project teams do not have a sense of belonging and identity. They have listened to too many "experts" and when they run into trouble, their first thought is to run back to WEB2 after burning VC's money.
13: VCs cannot invest in MEME, but they can invest in MM and in conspiracy groups.
13.5: Travel more, traveling doesn't lose money! How about traveling with me?
As for Retail Investors:
14: Do not be a retail investor; they live without knowing why and die without knowing for whom.
15: A word of advice, based on my offline teaching experience. There are now too many retail investors, and their only sources of information are the community and Twitter. The community is filled with abstractions and noise, and you hardly ever encounter true industry leaders. The quality of the community is a hundred levels below that of 2017 and 2018. Twitter is also not a good channel because there are too many garbage KOLs, and you cannot discern their level or how they make money. Discerning KOLs is a low-return activity. Spend more time thinking, learning, connecting with real industry leaders, and showcasing yourself! The greatness of the crypto world lies in the fact that as long as you are excellent, you will always have the opportunity to reach the top. The top will always humble themselves to listen to those below. The towering "Tree of Building a Road to Heaven" has never been cut down.
16: Do not be a retail investor; they live without knowing why and die without knowing for whom.
A Few Random Thoughts:
The industry has basically stabilized, and opportunities have diminished. Many top bosses have already taken a break. However, mid-to-senior-level experts, driven by passion and a pursuit of life, are still shining brightly. It's very enjoyable to chat with them because we don't need to discuss projects or partnerships. By discussing our past accomplishments, we can understand each other's capabilities and reliability. The candlestick charts record our lives, connect us, and this is the unique charm of the blockchain.
Too many newcomers are being distracted by noise to focus on meaningless projects and KOLs. However, detours are always necessary. I never look down on KOLs. They are also part of the ecosystem, attracting retail investors is necessary in the crypto industry.
I am happy to have met many outstanding juniors who are about to take the stage.
At a private gathering, while drinking in the evening, a certain boss brought a BD girl, who kept wanting to go to the adjacent gathering to meet some "big shots." The boss said: "Can those 'big shots' next door help you make money? To them, you might just be a good-looking young girl, and they might just want you there for a drink and some fun."
The girl was a bit upset but didn't say much. I could tell she didn't understand, so I said to her: "Your job is to maintain major clients; it's understandable that you meet those people, as it's part of your job. But what you're doing fundamentally earns you a salary. Because you, as a person, don't have the ability to connect with those bosses next door; you don't even know who among them are the real bosses and who has money."
A young girl who just graduated from graduate school, nodding as if she understood. I look at her, seeing a reflection of my past. To become stronger, to become valuable, to use one's own value to connect with others, create new value, and then slowly move to a higher ecological position. This is the only thing that should be done in the coin circle, the only path to success.
The Hong Kong conference has ended, the focus, core, and future of the industry have never been in a high-end chicken hotpot restaurant, nor in a nightclub or KTV. The true value only exists at the intersection of the path of pioneers. They chat casually in a coffee shop, confirm they are the right people, and can then collide to spark new ideas and bring forth new value.
AB Kuai.Dong @_FORAB
The winter under the prosperity of singing and dancing?
1. This should be the coldest Hong Kong conference to attend. Friends who run exhibitions generally complain that it's difficult to attract investment this year, while media friends complain that there are fewer orders from projects.
2. Many peers who have come out of major companies this year more or less have some thoughts about returning to work at exchanges. Although the salary is fixed and it's quite routine, the advantage is that someone pays you a salary + working at a major platform gives you face. Once again confirming the saying that during a bull market, people want to speculate, and during a bear market, people want to work.
3. Project teams that completed their token issuance a few years ago are considering what to do during this bear market so that they can issue tokens again in the next bull market. Recently, the older brothers who issued tokens are basically at their wits' end, as if everything they do is wrong.
4. This year, VC peers are also showing a polarized state. For example, the projects they previously invested in were all overvalued and were hit hard by the market in this wave. However, many new projects encountered later have very low valuations.
5. The event where CZ and Vitalik appeared at the same time unexpectedly saw CZ being more popular than V. When everyone rushed to take photos with CZ, he joked that you should also go find Vitalik.
6. Last year, when everyone was debating whether Ethereum had a problem, this year there seems to be a complete consensus. Whether at Vitalik's appearance on-site or in private occasions, there are questions and discussions everywhere.
7. Asked a few market makers and institutions, most are watching ETH drop below 800 in this wave, mainly betting on the panic exit of people from the DeFi lending and ICO era. However, in June 2022, everyone had the same view, and eventually it touched 880.
8. This year, the number of European and American white foreign participants at the conference is noticeably fewer, even in technical sessions, the proportion of foreigners is lower. Two years ago, everyone was very FOMO about the Hong Kong story, willing to come specifically from afar. This year, it seems that the enthusiasm of that time is no longer present.
9. This time, I met many older brothers who are in the rug-pull game. To some extent, some of these older brothers have indeed changed their family's economic situation through rug-pulling. From the end of last year to early this year's coin issuance season, although the rug-pull may have buried some studios, it has also enriched a group of people.
10. Although the progress of Hong Kong's compliance is still somewhat difficult to assess, Hong Kong has become an interesting cryptocurrency hub where undercurrents surge. Many project teams who cannot return have generally come from Singapore, while the coin traders generally come from the mainland, leading to many interesting frictions and collisions between them.
11. Some top Chinese bloggers, in their industry layout, are not only in the cryptocurrency circle but also involved in streetwear, medical aesthetics, and Hong Kong-listed companies, gradually forming a substantial industrial network. This aspect is becoming more and more similar to European and American brokerage and investment firms.
The above is the observation of this Hong Kong conference. Finally, I can continue to sit in front of the computer. I will also share more information with everyone at any time. Thank you for reading.
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今年 2 月,Base 生態中的 AI 協議 Virtuals 宣布跨鏈至 Solana,然而加密市場隨後進入流動性緊縮期,AI Agent 板塊從人聲鼎沸轉為低迷,Virtuals 生態也陷入一段蟄伏期。
三月初,BlockBeats 對 Virtuals 共同創辦人 empty 進行了一次專訪。彼時,團隊尚未推出如今被廣泛討論的 Genesis Launch 機制,但已在內部持續探索如何透過機制設計激活舊資產、提高用戶參與度,並重構代幣發行與融資路徑。那是一個市場尚未復甦、生態尚處冷啟動階段的時間點,Virtuals 團隊卻沒有停下腳步,而是在努力尋找新的產品方向和敘事突破口。
兩個月過去,AI Agent 板塊重新升溫,Virtuals 代幣反彈超 150%,Genesis 機製成為帶動生態回暖的重要觸發器。從積分獲取規則的動態調整,到專案參與熱度的持續上升,再到「新代幣帶老代幣」的機制閉環,Virtuals 逐漸走出寒冬,並再次站上討論焦點。
值得注意的是,Virtuals 的 Genesis 機制與近期 Binance 推出的 Alpha 積分系統有一些相似之處,評估用戶在 Alpha 和幣安錢包生態系統內的參與度,決定用戶 Alpha 代幣空投的資格。用戶可透過持倉、交易等方式獲得積分,積分越高,參與新項目的機會越大。透過積分系統篩選使用者、分配資源,專案方能夠更有效地激勵社群參與,提升專案的公平性和透明度。 Virtuals 和 Binance 的探索,或許預示著加密融資的新趨勢正在形成。
回看這次對話,empty 在專訪中所展現出的思路與判斷,正在一步步顯現其前瞻性,這不僅是一場圍繞打新機制的訪談,更是一次關於“資產驅動型 AI 協議”的路徑構建與底層邏輯的深度討論。
BlockBeats:可以簡單分享一下最近團隊主要在忙些什麼?
empty:目前我們的工作重點主要有兩個部分。第一部分,我們希望將 Virtuals 打造成一個類似「華爾街」的代理人(Agent)服務平台。設想一下,如果你是專注於 Agent 或 Agent 團隊建立的創業者,從融資、發幣到流動性退出,整個流程都需要係統性的支援。我們希望為真正專注於 Agent 和 AI 研發的團隊,提供這一整套服務體系,讓他們可以把精力集中在底層能力的開發上,而不用為其他環節分心。這一塊的工作其實也包括了與散戶買賣相關的內容,後面可以再詳細展開。
第二部分,我們正在深入推進 AI 相關的佈局。我們的願景是建立一個 AI 社會,希望每個 Agent 都能聚焦自身優勢,同時透過彼此之間的協作,實現更大的價值。因此,最近我們發布了一個新的標準——ACP(Agent Communication Protocol),目的是讓不同的 Agent 能夠相互互動、協作,共同推動各自的業務目標。這是目前我們主要在推進的兩大方向。
BlockBeats:可以再展開說說嗎?
empty:在我看來,其實我們面對的客戶群可以分為三類:第一類是專注於開發 Agent 的團隊;第二類是投資者,包括散戶、基金等各種投資機構;第三類則是 C 端用戶,也就是最終使用 Agent 產品的個人用戶。
不過,我們主要的精力其實是放在前兩大類──也就是團隊和投資人。對於 C 端用戶這一塊,我們並不打算直接介入,而是希望各個 Agent 團隊能夠自己解決 C 端市場的拓展問題。
此外,我們也認為,Agent 與 Agent 之間的交互作用應該成為一個核心模式。簡單來說,就是未來的服務更多應該是由一個 Agent 銷售或提供給另一個 Agent,而不是單純賣給人類使用者。因此,在團隊的 BD 工作中,我們也積極幫助現有的 AI 團隊尋找這樣的客戶和合作機會。
BlockBeats:大概有一些什麼具體案例呢?
empty:「華爾街」說白了就是圍繞資本運作體系的建設,假設你是一個技術團隊,想要融資,傳統路徑是去找 VC 募資,拿到資金後開始發展。如果專案做得不錯,接下來可能會考慮進入二級市場,例如在紐約證券交易所上市,或是在 Binance 這樣的交易所上幣,實現流動性退出。
我們希望把這一整套流程打通-從早期融資,到專案開發過程中對資金的靈活使用需求,再到最終二級市場的流動性退出,全部覆蓋和完善,這是我們希望補齊的一條完整鏈條。
而這一部分的工作和 ACP(Agent Communication Protocol)是不同的,ACP 更多是關於 Agent 與 Agent 之間交互標準的製定,不直接涉及資本運作系統。
BlockBeats:它和現在 Virtuals 的這個 Launchpad 有什麼差別呢?資金也是從 C 端來是嗎?
empty:其實現在你在 Virtuals 上發幣,如果沒有真正融到資金,那就只是發了一個幣而已,實際是融不到錢的。我們目前能提供的服務,是透過設定買賣時的交易稅機制,從中提取一部分稅收回饋給創業者,希望這部分能成為他們的現金流來源。
不過,問題其實還分成兩塊。第一是如何真正幫助團隊完成融資,這個問題目前我們還沒有徹底解決。第二是關於目前專案發行模式本身存在的結構性問題。簡單來說,現在的版本有點像過去 Pumpfun 那種模式——也就是當專案剛上線時,部分籌碼就被外賣給了外部投資人。但現實是,目前整個市場上存在著太多機構集團和「狙擊手」。
當一個真正優秀的專案一發幣,還沒真正觸達普通散戶,就已經被機構在極高估值時搶購了。等到散戶能夠接觸到時,往往價格已經偏高,專案品質也可能變差,整個價值發行體係被扭曲。
針對這個問題,我們希望探索一種新的發幣和融資模式,目的是讓專案方的籌碼既不是死死握在自己手裡,也不是優先流向英文圈的大機構,而是能夠真正留給那些相信專案、願意長期支持專案的普通投資者手中。我們正在思考該如何設計這樣一個新的發行機制,來解決這個根本問題。
BlockBeats:新模式的具體想法會是什麼樣子呢?
empty:關於資金這一塊,其實我們目前還沒有完全想透。現階段來看,最直接的方式還是去找 VC 融資,或是採取公開預售等形式進行資金募集。不過說實話,我個人對傳統的公開預售模式並不是特別認同。
在「公平發售」這件事上,我們正在嘗試換一個角度來思考-希望能從「reputation」出發,重新設計機制。
具體來說,就是如果你對整個 Virtuals 生態有貢獻,例如早期參與、提供支持或建設,那麼你就可以在後續購買優質代幣時享有更高的優先權。透過這種方式,我們希望把資源更多留給真正支持生態發展的用戶,而不是由短期套利的人主導。
BlockBeats:您會不會考慮採用類似之前 Fjord Foundry 推出的 LBP 模式,或者像 Daos.fun 那種採用白名單機制的模式。這些模式在某種程度上,和您剛才提到的「對生態有貢獻的人享有優先權」的想法是有些相似的。不過,這類做法後來也引發了一些爭議,例如白名單內部操作、分配不公等問題。 Virtuals 在設計時會考慮借鏡這些模式的優點,或有針對性地規避類似的問題嗎?
empty:我認為白名單機制最大的問題在於,白名單的選擇權掌握在專案方手中。這和「老鼠倉」行為非常相似。專案方可以選擇將白名單名額分配給自己人或身邊的朋友,導致最終的籌碼仍然掌握在少數人手中。
我們希望做的,依然是類似白名單的機制,但不同的是,白名單的獲取權應基於一個公開透明的規則體系,而不是由項目方單方面決定。只有這樣,才能真正做到公平分配,避免內幕操作的問題。
我認為在今天這個 AI 時代,很多時候創業並不需要大量資金。我常跟團隊強調,你們應該優先考慮自力更生,例如透過組成社區,而不是一開始就想著去融資。因為一旦融資,實際上就等於背負了負債。
我們更希望從 Training Fee的角度去看待早期發展路徑。也就是說,專案可以選擇直接發幣,透過交易稅所帶來的現金流,支持日常營運。這樣一來,專案可以在公開建設的過程中獲得初步資金,而不是依賴外部投資。如果專案做大了,自然也會有機會透過二級市場流動性退出。
當然最理想的情況是,專案本身能夠有穩定的現金流來源,這樣甚至連自己的幣都無需拋售,這才是真正健康可持續的狀態。
我自己也常在和團隊交流時分享這種思路,很有意思的是,那些真正抱著「搞快錢」心態的項目,一聽到這種機制就失去了興趣。他們會覺得,在這種模式下,既無法操作老鼠倉,也很難短期套利,於是很快就選擇離開。
但從我們的角度來看,這其實反而是個很好的篩選機制。透過這種方式,理念不同的專案自然會被過濾出去,最後留下的,都是那些願意真正建立、和我們價值觀契合的團隊,一起把事情做起來。
BlockBeats:這個理念可以發展出一些能夠創造收益的 AI agent。
empty:我覺得這是很有必要的。坦白說,放眼今天的市場,真正擁有穩定現金流的產品幾乎鳳毛麟角,但我認為這並不意味著我們應該停止嘗試。事實上,我們每天在對接的團隊中,有至少一半以上的人依然懷抱著長遠的願景。很多時候,他們甚至已經提前向我們提供了 VC 階段的資金支持,或表達了強烈的合作意願。
其實對他們來說想要去收穫一個很好的社區,因為社區可以給他們的產品做更好的回饋,這才是他們真正的目的。這樣聽起來有一點匪夷所思,但其實真的有很多這樣的團隊,而那種團隊的是我們真的想扶持的團隊。
BlockBeats:您剛才提到的這套「AI 華爾街」的產品體系-從融資、發行到退出,建構的是一整套完整的流程。這套機制是否更多是為了激勵那些有意願發幣的團隊?還是說,它在設計上也考慮瞭如何更好地支持那些希望透過產品本身的現金流來發展的團隊?這兩類團隊在您這套體系中會不會被區別對待,或者說有什麼機制設計能讓不同路徑的創業者都能被合理支持?
empty:是的,我們 BD 的核心職責其實就是去鼓勵團隊發幣。說得直接一點,就是引導他們思考發幣的可能性和意義。所以團隊最常問的問題就是:「為什麼要發幣?」這時我們需要採取不同的方式和角度,去幫助他們理解背後的價值邏輯。當然如果最終判斷不適合,我們也不會強迫他們推進。
不過我們觀察到一個非常明顯的趨勢,傳統的融資路徑已經越來越難走通了。過去那種融資做大,發幣上所的模式已經逐漸失效。面對這樣的現實,很多團隊都陷入了尷尬的境地。而我們希望能從鏈上和加密的視角,提供一套不同的解決方案,讓他們找到新的發展路徑。
BlockBeats:明白,我剛才其實想表達的是,您剛剛也提到,傳統的 AI 模式在很大程度上仍然依賴「燒錢」競爭。但在 DeepSeek 出現之後,市場上一些資金體積較小的團隊或投資人開始重新燃起了信心,躍躍欲試地進入這個領域。您怎麼看待這種現象?這會不會對目前正在做 AI 基礎研發,或是 AI 應用層開發的團隊產生一定的影響?
empty:對,我覺得先不談 DeepSeek,從傳統角度來看,其實到目前為止,AI 領域真正賺錢的只有英偉達,其他幾乎所有玩家都還沒有實現盈利。所以其實沒有人真正享受了這個商業模式的成果,大家也仍在探索如何面對 C 端打造真正有產出的應用。
沒有哪個領域像幣圈一樣能如此快速獲得社群回饋。你一發幣,用戶就會主動去讀白皮書的每一個字,試試你產品的每個功能。
當然,這套機制並不適合所有人。例如有些 Agent 產品偏 Web2,對於幣圈用戶而言,可能感知不到其價值。因此,我也會鼓勵做 Agent 的團隊在 Virtuals 生態中認真思考,如何真正將 Crypto 作為自身產品的差異化要素加以運用與設計。
BlockBeats:這點我特別認同,在 Crypto 這個領域 AI 的迭代速度確實非常快,但這群用戶給予的回饋,真的是代表真實的市場需求嗎?或者說這些回饋是否真的符合更大眾化、更具規模性的需求?
empty:我覺得很多時候產品本身不應該是強行推廣給不適合的使用者群體。例如 AIXBT 最成功的一點就在於,它的用戶本身就是那群炒作他人內容的人,所以他們的使用行為是非常自然的,並不覺得是在被迫使用一個無聊的產品。 mass adoption 這個概念已經講了很多年,大家可能早就該放棄這個執念了。我們不如就認了,把東西賣給幣圈的人就好了。
BlockBeats:AI Agent 與 AI Agent 所對應的代幣之間,究竟應該是什麼樣的動態關係?
empty:對,我覺得這裡可以分成兩個核心點。首先其實不是在投資某個具體的 AI Agent,而是在投資背後經營這個 Agent 的團隊。你應該把它理解為一種更接近創投的思路:你投的是這個人,而不是他目前正在做的產品。因為產品本身是可以快速變化的,可能一個月後團隊會發現方向不對,立即調整。所以,這裡的「幣」本質上代表的是對團隊的信任,而不是某個特定 Agent 本身。
第二則是期望一旦某個 Agent 產品做出來後,未來它能真正產生現金流,或者有實際的使用場景(utility),從而讓對應的代幣具備賦能效應。
BlockBeats:您覺得有哪些賦能方式是目前還沒看到的,但未來可能出現、值得期待的?
empty:其實主要有兩塊,第一是比較常見的那種你要使用我的產品,就必須付費,或者使用代幣支付,從而間接實現對代幣的「軟銷毀」或消耗。
但我覺得更有趣的賦能方式,其實是在獲客成本的角度思考。也就是說,你希望你的用戶同時也是你的投資者,這樣他們就有動機去主動幫你推廣、吸引更多用戶。
BlockBeats:那基於這些觀點,您怎麼看 ai16z,在專案設計和代幣機制方面,似乎整體表現並不太樂觀?
empty:從一個很純粹的投資角度來看,撇開我們與他們之間的關係,其實很簡單。他們現在做的事情,對代幣本身沒有任何賦能。從開源的角度來看,一個開源模型本身是無法直接賦能代幣的。
但它仍然有價值的原因在於,它像一個期權(call option),也就是說,如果有一天他們突然決定要做一些事情,比如推出一個 launchpad,那麼那些提前知道、提前參與的人,可能會因此受益。
開發者未來確實有可能會使用他們的 Launchpad,只有在那一刻,代幣才會真正產生賦能。這是目前最大的一個問號——如果這個模式真的跑得通,我認為確實會非常強大,因為他們的確觸達了大量開發者。
但我個人還是有很多疑問。例如即使我是使用 Eliza 的開發者,也不代表我一定會選擇在他們的 Launchpad 上發幣。我會貨比三家,會比較。而且,做一個 Launchpad 和做一個開源框架,所需的產品能力和社群運作能力是完全不同的,這是另一個重要的不確定性。
BlockBeats:這種不同是體現在什麼地方呢?
empty:在 Virtuals 上我們幾乎每天都在處理客服相關的問題,只要有任何一個團隊在我們平台上發生 rug,即使與我們沒有直接關係,用戶也會第一時間來找我們投訴。
這時我們就必須出面安撫用戶,並思考如何降低 rug 的整體風險。一旦有團隊因為自己的代幣設計錯誤或技術失誤而被駭客攻擊、資產被盜,我們往往需要自掏腰包,確保他們的社群至少能拿回一點資金,以便專案能夠重新開始。這些項目方可能在技術上很強,但未必擅長代幣發行,結果因操作失誤被攻擊導致資產損失。只要涉及「被欺騙」相關的問題,對我們來說就已經是非常麻煩的事了,做這些工作跟做交易所的客服沒有太大差別。
另一方面,做 BD 也非常困難。優秀的團隊手上有很多選擇,他們可以選擇在 Pumpfun 或交易所上發幣,為什麼他們要來找我們,那這背後必須要有一整套支援體系,包括融資支援、技術協助、市場推廣等,每個環節都不能出問題。
BlockBeats:那我們就繼續沿著這個話題聊聊 Virtuals 目前的 Launchpad 業務。有一些社群成員在 Twitter 上統計了 Virtuals Launchpad 的整體獲利狀況,確實目前看起來獲利的項目比較少。接下來 Launchpad 還會是 Virtuals 的主要業務區嗎?還是說,未來的重心會逐漸轉向您剛才提到的「AI 華爾街」這條路徑?
empty:其實這兩塊本質上是一件事,是一整套體系的一部分,所以我們必須繼續推進。市場的波動是很正常的,我們始終要堅持的一點是:非常清楚地認識到我們的核心客戶是誰。我一直強調我們的客戶只有兩類——團隊。所以市場行情的好壞對我們來說並不是最重要的,關鍵是在每一個關鍵節點上,對於一個團隊來說,發幣的最佳選擇是否依然是我們 Virtuals。
BlockBeats:您會不會擔心「Crypto + AI」或「Crypto AI Agent」這一類敘事已經過去了?如果未來還有一輪多頭市場,您是否認為市場炒作的焦點可能已經不再是這些方向了?
empty:有可能啊,我覺得 it is what it is,這確實是有可能發生的,但這也屬於我們無法控制的範圍。不過如果你問我,在所有可能的趨勢中,哪個賽道更有機會長期保持領先,我仍然認為是 AI。從一個打德撲的角度來看,它仍然是最優選擇。
而且我們團隊的技術架構和底層能力其實早已搭建完成了,現在只是順勢而為而已。更重要的是,我們本身真的熱愛這件事,帶著好奇心去做這件事。每天早上醒來就有驅動力去研究最新的技術,這種狀態本身就挺讓人滿足的,對吧?
很多時候,大家不應該只看產品本身。實際上很多優秀的團隊,他們的基因決定了他們有在規則中勝出的能力——他們可能過去在做派盤交易時,每筆規模就是上百萬的操作,而這些團隊的 CEO,一年的薪資可能就有 100 萬美金。如果他們願意出來單幹項目,從天使投資或 VC 的視角來看,這本質上是用一個很划算的價格買到一個高品質的團隊。
更何況這些資產是 liquid 的,不是鎖倉狀態。如果你當下不急著用錢,完全可以在早期階段買進一些優秀團隊的代幣,靜靜等待他們去創造一些奇蹟,基本上就是這樣一個邏輯。